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The discussion revolves around calculating the amount of light reaching a doorstep from a 15-foot tall light pole equipped with a 300W light bulb located 50 feet away. Participants explore the physics of light intensity, distance, and comparisons to a hypothetical 20W bulb.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the formula for brightness based on distance, indicating that the power of light diminishes with the square of the distance.
  • Another participant questions the calculation of distance, proposing that the correct distance should be derived from the Pythagorean theorem, leading to a distance of approximately 52 feet.
  • A different participant provides a formula for brightness, B = L/(4πD²), and calculates the brightness at the doorstep to be approximately 5.8x10^-4 W/square foot.
  • Concerns are raised about the missing information regarding the placement of the hypothetical 20W bulb and how it compares to the 300W bulb in terms of distance and angle of light incidence.
  • One participant notes that the efficiency of light conversion differs between the two bulbs but suggests this may be negligible for the estimation.
  • Another participant attempts to derive the distance at which a 20W bulb would need to be placed to match the light received from the 300W bulb, leading to a calculation of approximately 13.5 feet, though they express uncertainty about the accuracy of this result.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the calculations and assumptions involved in determining the light intensity at the doorstep. There is no consensus on the correct approach or final answer, and multiple competing views remain regarding the necessary parameters for accurate comparison.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations such as the need for clarity on the angle of light incidence and the specific placement of the 20W bulb, which may affect the calculations. Additionally, the efficiency of light conversion in different bulbs is mentioned but not resolved.

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I have a question which relates to the physics of light. I hope I can explain it well enough for a proper answer!

Let's say there is a 15 feet tall light pole 50 feet from my door step. The light pole has a 300W light bulb. Given these info, is there anyway to calculate the amount of light at my door step? Can I say that the light in front of my doorstep, for example, is equal to a 20W light bulb?

Can anyone please provide a general formula for me to plug in the numbers. Thanks in advance.
 
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the distance of the bulb from your doorstep is (225 + 2500)^0.5 feet. the power falls off with the square of the distance. so it would work out to 300/(225 + 2500) watts.
 
Thanks very much for the reply. I hate to ask, but can u please explain more.
I am trying very hard to remember my math and physics from 20 years ago but my brain is useless!

How is the distance between the light and door = (225 + 2500)^0.5 .. that would equal to like 7425625! Shouldn't it be a^2 + b^2 = c^2 or 50^2+15^2= 52^2.

So C is equal to about 52 feet which is the distance from lightbulb to the bottom of the door step.

but anyway, are you saying the light infront of the dorr step is equal to about .11 watts? that is 300/(225 + 2500)= .11 watts.









I need to calculate this to prove something to my insurance company!
 
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switchex said:
How is the distance between the light and door = (225 + 2500)^0.5 .. that would equal to like 7425625! Shouldn't it be a^2 + b^2 = c^2 or 50^2+15^2= 52^2.


(225 + 2500)^0.5 = 52
 
The brightness of a bulb at distance D from the source is equal to:

[tex]B=\frac{L}{4\pi{D^2}}[/tex]

The distance is indeed ~52 foot,

B = 5.8x10^-4 W/square foot.

It may bode you well to convert to metres from feet first though!
 
switchex said:
Let's say there is a 15 feet tall light pole 50 feet from my door step. The light pole has a 300W light bulb. Given these info, is there anyway to calculate the amount of light at my door step? Can I say that the light in front of my doorstep, for example, is equal to a 20W light bulb?

The vital information which is missing and nobody seems have asked for is that the light from the 300W bulb at your doorstep is equal to that from a 20W bulb placed where? On the top of the door step? If so, what is the distance from the 20W bulb to the door step?

In both cases, you also need the angle at which the light falls from either bulb on the flat doorstep. The first is given, and the light falls slanted on the step. The second one will be most probably almost directly on the top of the doorstep. (Of course, this I think may not be important, because you are probably estimating the light in the vicinity of the doorstep, not exactly on it.

Another complication is that the percentage of energy converted to light in a 300W bulb is different from that in a 20W bulb. But this can be ignored -- both will be around 4-5%.
 
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Shooting Star said:
The vital information which is missing and nobody seems have asked for is that the light from the 300W bulb at your doorstep is equal to that from a 20W bulb placed where? On the top of the door step? If so, what is the distance from the 20W bulb to the door step?

i think what was meant in the OP was how he can compare a 300W bulb placed 52ft away with a 20W bulb placed 'x' feet away. so if the power received at doorstep by a 300W bulb is 0.11W then for an equivalent power to be received by a 20W bulb at the doorstep it would have to be placed (20/0.11)^0.5 feet away. works out to roughly 13.5 feet.

:rolleyes: now that i look at the numbers, they somehow don't seem right..
 

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