Question about vector fields, div, curl grad

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The discussion revolves around vector fields, specifically the relationships involving divergence, curl, and gradient. The original poster seeks references or proofs for specific mathematical statements regarding these concepts.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants provide hints regarding the behavior of vector fields on boundaries and within closed curves, suggesting a geometric perspective. Others express confidence in the validity of the statements but seek formal references for proofs.

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There is an active exchange of ideas, with some participants recalling relevant theorems and suggesting starting points for proofs. However, no consensus or definitive references have been established yet.

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Participants mention the use of the divergence theorem and Stokes' theorem, indicating a mathematical framework for the proofs being discussed. The conversation reflects a desire for deeper understanding rather than immediate solutions.

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Homework Statement



I need a pointer to a proof of the following items:
if div X =0 then X = curl Y for some field Y.
if curl X = 0 then X = grad Y for some field Y.

Can anyone provide a pointer to a proof?

Thanks.

Bob Kolker

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Here are a couple of hints

First one: think about what X would look like on the boundary of a sphere
Second one: think about what X would look like on the interior of a closed plane curve (a loop that lies in a single plane)
 
I have no doubt the equations are true. I am looking for a reference to a proof. Can you help me out? :Thanks.
 
Unfortunately I don't have a good reference for you, but I remember these two proofs. They both follow a similar procedure using the divergence theorem and Stokes theorem around arbitrary orientable closed surfaces and closed plane curves respectively. Start with the second one, it's a little simpler.
 
I think this is called Helmholtz's theorem in E&M (Electricity and Magnetism). The div(curl A)=0 in all cases and also curl (grad V)=0 in all cases, but the converse that there exists a field, etc. is Helmholtz's theorem.
 
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