Question about Waves -- What does "Elongation" refer to?

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The discussion revolves around the term "elongation" as it pertains to wave mechanics, specifically its definition and usage in describing wave behavior. Participants explore its meaning in relation to equilibrium positions and displacement in various types of waves, including longitudinal and transverse waves.

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  • Some participants seek clarification on the term "elongation" in the context of wave functions, particularly g(x,t).
  • One participant cites a source that defines elongation as the relative position with respect to the equilibrium position, suggesting it is synonymous with amplitude.
  • Another participant expresses discomfort with the term "elongation," proposing that "displacement" is a more appropriate term for describing wave motion, particularly in longitudinal waves.
  • A different viewpoint argues that elongation and displacement are not synonymous, emphasizing that elongation refers to the lengthening of a spring or similar system, while displacement describes the position of masses in oscillation.
  • This participant highlights that elongation can be calculated from displacements but is not equivalent to them, particularly in the context of transverse oscillations.
  • There is a suggestion that conflating elongation with displacement is misleading and not universally accepted in the literature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the appropriateness of the term "elongation" in wave mechanics. There is no consensus on whether elongation should be considered synonymous with displacement, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the definitions and interpretations of terms like elongation and displacement may vary depending on the context of the wave type being discussed. The discussion highlights the potential for confusion arising from terminology in wave mechanics.

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What does it mean :g(x,t) which describes the elongation of the wave at the place x at time t. ? elongation what refer to exactlly!?
 
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math04 said:
What does it mean :g(x,t) which describes the elongation of the wave at the place x at time t. ? elongation what refer to exactlly!?
to quote from
https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/wave

In a mechanical system, the point in which the potential energy is minimal is called the equlibrium position; the relative position with respect to the equilibrium position is called the elongation. The maximal elongation is usually called the amplitude of oscillation.
 
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"the relative position with respect to the equilibrium position is called the elongation".
@math04 The word 'elongation' (I don't like it at all) suggests to me that the context of that particular discussion is longitudinal waves and it describes motion 'backwards and forwards' in the direction of the direction of propagation. If you replace 'elongation' with the word 'displacement' then that takes care of any mechanical wave mode.

When you find a word that gives you problems, such as this one, it is always a good idea to read around. If you had done that then you would have found 'displacement' in pretty much every other discussion of waves.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
"the relative position with respect to the equilibrium position is called the elongation".

I not only don’t like it, I think it is flat out wrong. I took a brief look, and I can’t find elongation used as a synonym for displacement anywhere else. The dictionary definition is clear: the lengthening of something. In relation to oscillations, there is often a spring involved and elongation refers to the spring (or bond, or whatever) getting longer. In many simple 1D arrangements the elongation of the spring is equivalent to the displacement of the end of the spring or an attached mass so I can see how people conflate elongation with displacement, but those words do not mean the same thing.

Take, for example, a line of masses attached by springs supporting a transverse oscillation (passing pulse, continuous wave, standing wave, whatever). The displacement of the masses is transverse, and well described by the wave function. The elongation of the springs is easily calculable from the displacements and is not at all equal to the displacements. A perfectly good word with a pretty clear and well defined meaning, and it doesn’t mean displacement. It isn’t even correct for a longitudinal wave because the elongation of any spring will be the difference in the displacement of adjacent point masses.

Conflating these words because they happen to be equivalent in some circumstances strikes me as a grating malapropism.

None the less, I am not surprised and agree that they mean it to be synonymous with displacement. Horrible.
 
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