Question corncerning acceleration and velocity

  • Context: Undergrad 
  • Thread starter Thread starter seasnake
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Acceleration Velocity
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

This discussion centers on the distinction between speed and velocity, emphasizing that speed is the magnitude of velocity, which is a vector quantity. The user explores the calculation of acceleration using a spreadsheet, questioning the accuracy of average speed versus instantaneous speed. Key points include the definition of velocity as the derivative of position over an infinitesimal time interval and the importance of understanding intra-interval changes in speed. The conversation clarifies that average speed ignores variations within the interval, while velocity accounts for these changes.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of basic physics concepts, specifically acceleration and velocity.
  • Familiarity with calculus, particularly derivatives and their application in motion.
  • Knowledge of average versus instantaneous speed.
  • Basic proficiency in spreadsheet tools for calculations.
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the concept of instantaneous velocity and its calculation using derivatives.
  • Learn about the differences between average speed and instantaneous speed in physics.
  • Explore the application of calculus in motion analysis, focusing on derivatives.
  • Investigate how to model motion in spreadsheets, including handling variable speeds.
USEFUL FOR

Students of physics, educators teaching motion concepts, and anyone interested in the mathematical modeling of speed and velocity in practical applications.

seasnake
Messages
41
Reaction score
0
I'm defining acceleration as present speed minus previous speed within the confines of a spreadsheet. The problem with this is that the speed between the current and the previous is constantly uniform, that is the average speed of the interval is 0.5(S-Sx)+Sx. But I do not know if the object sped up or and slowed down several times, or if the object went faster in the first portion and slower in the latter. I assume that if the speed varied during the interval then the 0.5 figure would adjust to balance the equation of 0.5(S-Sx) = (new weight)(S-Sx).

Given the above, I would like to know if the interval's velocity would be equal to (S-Sx)/(new weight) + Sx.

My understanding of the difference between speed and velocity is that speed is measured from one interval to the next ignoring what occurs inbetween the measurements and velocity accounts for both speed and anything that has been lost during the speed interval.

I would like to know if my understanding is correct, and if not, then how it is not.

I also need to know when expanding squares such as, (x+y)^2 to x^2 + 2xy + y^2 if the 2 in the 2xy term should be expressed by another variable when dealing with velocity (1/0.5 = 2, but has intra-interval changes been ignored?).
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Here's the scoop: velocity is the derivative of position. That is, it's the change in position over an infinitesimally small time, divided by that infinitesimal time interval. In practice, we can't measure infinitesimal time intervals or infinitesimal changes in position, so we settle for computing the average velocity over very short time intervals. If those small time intervals are short enough that the true velocity doesn't change much over the course of one interval, you get a close approximation of the true velocity.

Speed is just the magnitude (or absolute value) of velocity. For instance, if you have one ball moving at 2 m/s to the right and another moving at 2 m/s to the left, they have opposite velocities but the same speed.

I'm not sure what you're talking about with respect to expanding squares... (x+y)^2 = x^2 + 2xy + y^2, period.
 
seasnake said:
My understanding of the difference between speed and velocity is that speed is measured from one interval to the next ignoring what occurs inbetween the measurements and velocity accounts for both speed and anything that has been lost during the speed interval.

I would like to know if my understanding is correct, and if not, then how it is not.

Hi seasnake! :smile:

No … that's the difference between average speed (over an interval) and instantaneous speed …

speed and velocity (in a constant direction, which is what you're using) are the same

(technically, velocity is a vector, and speed is the magnitude of velocity :wink:)
I also need to know when expanding squares such as, (x+y)^2 to x^2 + 2xy + y^2 if the 2 in the 2xy term should be expressed by another variable when dealing with velocity (1/0.5 = 2, but has intra-interval changes been ignored?).

Sorry, not following you. :confused:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
4K
  • · Replies 47 ·
2
Replies
47
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 39 ·
2
Replies
39
Views
5K
  • · Replies 41 ·
2
Replies
41
Views
4K
  • · Replies 21 ·
Replies
21
Views
2K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K