Question: does the physical curvature of spacetime ever move ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of spacetime curvature in the context of Einstein's theory of relativity, specifically questioning whether this curvature can be considered to "move" and how it relates to the concept of a continuum. Participants explore the implications of stress-energy on spacetime and the interpretation of motion within this framework.

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  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how spacetime curvature, influenced by stress-energy, can be viewed as a continuum, expressing confusion over the concept of a "tunnel" in relation to relative motion.
  • Another participant explains that every point in spacetime has its own stress-energy, which corresponds to curvature, and asserts that there is no motion in spacetime itself, only in 3D+1 slices.
  • A request for clarification is made regarding the term "3D+1 slice of spacetime," leading to an explanation that it refers to the three spatial dimensions plotted against time.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in reconciling the idea of a continuum with their understanding, suggesting that the association of these concepts is perplexing.
  • A participant acknowledges a miscommunication regarding terminology, indicating that "absolute" was not the correct word to use in this context.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the concept of a continuum, stating it refers to something continuous rather than discrete, without implying absoluteness or a tunnel-like structure.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of spacetime curvature and the concept of a continuum, indicating that multiple competing views remain and the discussion is unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the understanding of how spacetime curvature relates to motion and the nature of a continuum, with some assumptions about terminology and concepts remaining unaddressed.

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Question: does the physical curvature of spacetime ever "move"?

Something isn't adding up with Einstein's theory--or, more likely, I'm just not understanding it correctly!

How can we say that the curvatures of spacetime created by the presence of stress-energy is giving us a continuum? When I think of a continuum, I think of something like a tunnel. But it cannot be so! If all motion is relative, how can we have this tunnel?

Yeah, sure we live and die, so we like to think of the world in time-like ways, but if I'm reading Einstein's theory right, I don't see how we can look at spacetime curvature as anything more than a localized dent in space (that cannot be regarded as being bent in any kind of continued way, like a tunnel).

I'm really hoping the GREAT Peter Donis gets a hold of this question, because I know I'm not asking it perfectly but that he can probably figure out what I'm asking.

Edit: Wait a minute. Have I answered my own question? Is the passage of time the tunnel I'm trying to visualize? Ha! I think I figured it out! The tunnel--or the continuum--is time, right?
 
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Every single point in spacetime has its own stress-energy or energy-momentum amount (usually expressed in the form of a tensor). With some proportionality constant that is equivalent with a certain amount of positive or negative curvature. There is no motion in spacetime. Motion you get when you take a certain 3D+1 slice of spacetime and all slices are equivalent in Einstein's theory.
 
PassionFlower:

Please explain your last sentence. What is a 3d+1 slice of spacetime?
 
Seminole Boy said:
PassionFlower:

Please explain your last sentence. What is a 3d+1 slice of spacetime?
3D+1 means take the three spatial dimensions (e.g. length, width and height) and plot the changes out against time.
 
Seminole Boy said:
When I think of a continuum, I think of something that is absolute
That is strange. I don't know where to go from there. I cannot even imaging why you might associate these two completely separate ideas in this way.
 
DaleSpam:

I wasn't using the right word. I corrected it--or changed it! Absolute was certainly not the right word.
 
Seminole Boy said:
When I think of a continuum, I think of something like a tunnel.
That is strange. I don't know where to go from there. I cannot even imaging why you might associate these two completely separate ideas in this way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_(measurement)

A continuum is just something which is continuous rather than discrete. I.e. smooth and not quantized. There is nothing absolute nor tunnel-like implied.
 

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