Question on electric lines and conductor

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric lines of force in electric fields, the nature of conductors in static and dynamic cases, and the implications of charge arrangements on the paths of unit positive charges. Participants explore concepts related to electric fields, charge movement, and the conditions under which electric fields exist within conductors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the path of a unit positive charge in an electric field corresponds to the electric lines of force, suggesting a need for clarification on this definition.
  • Another participant asserts that electric lines of force do not form closed curves, referencing the condition that the curl of the electric field is zero in the absence of a changing magnetic field.
  • A participant proposes a hypothetical arrangement of charges that could allow a unit positive charge to move in a circular path, questioning if this would create closed curves in electric lines of force.
  • There is a discussion about why conductors do not have an electric field within them in static conditions, with one participant explaining that charges inside a conductor rearrange themselves to eliminate the electric field.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding the existence of electric fields in dynamic cases within conductors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and behavior of electric lines of force, particularly regarding their potential to form closed curves. There is also a lack of consensus on the implications of dynamic cases for electric fields within conductors.

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The discussion includes assumptions about static and dynamic conditions, as well as the definitions of electric fields and lines of force, which may not be fully resolved.

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i have read that if we place an unit positive electric charge in an electric field the path in which it moves is the electric lines of force of that electric field . is it true ?

and again that the lines of force doesn't make a closed curve . is that also true ? if yes then if we can make a certain arrengement of positive or negetive charge in a manner that if we place an unit positive charge in that place it will go round and round . then the lines of force of that arrengement will be a closed curve . isin't it ?

and at last i can't understand why a conductor does not have an electric field in it ?

thanks in advance
 
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Shan K said:
i have read that if we place an unit positive electric charge in an electric field the path in which it moves is the electric lines of force of that electric field . is it true ?

No, the electric field has units of force per unit charge and so will correspond to the direction of acceleration of the positive charge.

and again that the lines of force doesn't make a closed curve . is that also true ? if yes then if we can make a certain arrengement of positive or negetive charge in a manner that if we place an unit positive charge in that place it will go round and round . then the lines of force of that arrengement will be a closed curve . isin't it ?

You need to clarify this part of your question. I think you're referring to the fact that the curl of the electric field is zero in the absence of a changing magnetic field? I'm not sure what your question about that is.

and at last i can't understand why a conductor does not have an electric field in it ?

In the static case, since charges inside a conductor are free to move, then there must not be an electric field. Otherwise they would move and it wouldn't be a static case. What this means in effect is that charges inside a conductor will spatially configure themselves such that there is no electric field inside it.
 
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DocZaius said:
No, the electric field has units of force per unit charge and so will correspond to the direction of acceleration of the positive charge.

so what would be the definition of electric lines of force ?
 
In the static case, since charges inside a conductor are free to move, then there must not be an electric field. Otherwise they would move and it wouldn't be a static case. What this means in effect is that charges inside a conductor will spatially configure themselves such that there is no electric field inside it.[/QUOTE]

is there any dynamical case ?
 

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