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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of mathematical symbols related to functions and sets in a two-dimensional space, specifically focusing on the supremum of a function over a ball and the complement of that ball in the plane. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and clarification of notation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that "sup_{B_\delta}|f(x,y)|" represents the supremum of {|f(x,y)|} where (x,y) is within a ball of radius delta centered at the origin.
  • Others clarify that "R^2 \ B_\delta" denotes the plane R^2 excluding the ball of radius delta, indicating that it consists of points (x,y) where |(x,y)| is greater than or equal to delta.
  • A participant emphasizes that the term "the upper bound" is misleading, arguing that there are infinitely many upper bounds for a set, and clarifies that the supremum is the least upper bound.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the meanings of the symbols discussed, but there is some contention regarding the terminology of "upper bound" versus "least upper bound," indicating a nuanced disagreement on the interpretation of mathematical concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of supremum and set difference may not be explicitly stated, and the discussion does not resolve the nuances of terminology used in mathematical contexts.

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I don't know the meaning of these:


1) [tex]sup_{B_\delta}|f(x,y)|[/tex]

Where [itex]B_\delta[/itex] is the ball of radius [itex]\delta[/itex].

2) [tex]\int \int _{R^2 \B _{\delta} } f(xy)dxdy[/tex]

I don't know what is [itex]R^2[/itex]\B[itex]_{\delta}[/itex]

Please read my latex because the symbol really don't show correctly.
 
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1) The supremum of {|f(x,y)|} where (x,y) ranges over the ball centered at 0 of radius delta: |(x,y)|=sqrt(x^2+y^2)<delta.

2) the plane R^2 without the ball centered at 0 of radius delta, i.e. \ (in Latex: "\backslash") means 'complement' or 'set difference'. So it consists of pairs (x,y) of real numbers such that |(x,y)|=sqrt(x^2+y^2)>=delta.
 
Landau said:
1) The supremum of {|f(x,y)|} where (x,y) ranges over the ball centered at 0 of radius delta: |(x,y)|=sqrt(x^2+y^2)<delta.

2) the plane R^2 without the ball centered at 0 of radius delta, i.e. \ (in Latex: "\backslash") means 'complement' or 'set difference'. So it consists of pairs (x,y) of real numbers such that |(x,y)|=sqrt(x^2+y^2)>=delta.

Thanks for you reply, so for

1) Is the upper bound of |f(x,y)| in the ball.

2) Is the whole 2D plane minus the circle center at 0 with radius [itex]\delta[/itex]
 
yungman said:
1) Is the upper bound of |f(x,y)| in the ball.
The least upper bound, a.k.a. the supremum ;)
2) Is the whole 2D plane minus the circle center at 0 with radius [itex]\delta[/itex]
Yes.
 
yungman said:
Thanks for you reply, so for

1) Is the upper bound of |f(x,y)| in the ball.
No. There is no such thing as "the" upper bound of a set of numbers. If a set has an upper bound, then it has an infinite number of upper bounds. This is the least upper bound- the smallest number in the set of all upper bounds.

2) Is the whole 2D plane minus the circle center at 0 with radius [itex]\delta[/itex]
 

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