Question regarding binomial theorem.

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The discussion revolves around solving the expression (√2 + 1)6, where the goal is to separate the integer part (I) from the fractional part (f). Initial attempts yielded an incorrect integer sum of 44, while the correct value is 197. Participants emphasized the need to correctly account for both integral and fractional components in the expansion. They suggested using an approximation for √2 to simplify calculations, ultimately leading to the correct answer. The conversation highlights the importance of precision in mathematical expansions and approximations.
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Homework Statement



(√2 + 1)6 = I + f

Where I is the sum of integer part of the expansion of (√2 + 1)6 and f is sum of the fraction part in (√2 + 1)6.

Homework Equations



(x+1)n = nC0 xn + nC1 xn-1 + nC2 xn-2 + ... + nCn

nCn = nC0 = 1

The Attempt at a Solution



I expanded (√2 + 1)6 , then simplified and then got the expression 44+99√2/2.
Then I got I=44 which was not even the correct answer. The correct was 197. This question is a competitive level question.

Thanks in advance... :smile:
 
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Hi sankalp :smile:

The answer you get is incomplete. The second term also has an integral and fractional part itself. You need to add them to get your answer :wink:

Another way to see it is that f is defined to be between 0 and 1, so is your fractional part between zero and one?PS : Your expansion itself seems incorrect to me. Recheck it.
 
Infinitum said:
Hi sankalp :smile:

The answer you get is incomplete. The second term also has an integral and fractional part itself. You need to add them to get your answer :wink:

Another way to see it is that f is defined to be between 0 and 1, so is your fractional part between zero and one?


PS : Your expansion itself seems incorrect to me. Recheck it.
Hii Infinitum! :smile:

One way to do is to seriously find (√2 + 1)6. But that will be a noob way.

Ok , so on expanding , I get :

(√2 + 1)6 = 6C0 8 + 6C1 4√2 + 6C2 4 + 6C32√2 + 6C4 2 + 6C5 √2 + 6C6

Now on solving , I get (√2 + 1)6 = 99+ 70√2
I + f = 99+ 70√2

Now what else can I do ? Any hint ?
 
sankalpmittal said:
Hii Infinitum! :smile:

One way to do is to seriously find (√2 + 1)6. But that will be a noob way.

Ok , so on expanding , I get :

(√2 + 1)6 = 6C0 8 + 6C1 4√2 + 6C2 4 + 6C32√2 + 6C4 2 + 6C5 √2 + 6C6

Now on solving , I get (√2 + 1)6 = 99+ 70√2
I + f = 99+ 70√2

Now what else can I do ? Any hint ?

Yep. That sounds correct. Now you can use the approximate value of √2 to multiply, and hence get the integral part of the expansion.

Hint : You only need to use 1.41 as your approximation, as any more digits will not change effect the integral part :wink:
 
Infinitum said:
Yep. That sounds correct. Now you can use the approximate value of √2 to multiply, and hence get the integral part of the expansion.

Did not recognize that this was so simple...

99+ 70√2

99+ 70(1.41)
I = 99+98 = 197 !

Awesome! :smile:

Edit : All right , thanks for the efforts...
 
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The method your professor uses can be applied in general to all such problems, so it is good in its own right. The one I suggest requires that you know the value of √2, which is frequently used and known. What about when it is √327? You would have to first find the square root, then approximate.
 
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