Question Regarding Linear Transformation

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves finding matrices A, B, and C related to two linear transformations T1 and T2 defined on R^2. The transformations are characterized by their action on the basis vectors e1 and e2, and the relationships between these transformations are expressed in terms of matrix multiplication and addition.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the nature of the basis vectors e1 and e2, questioning whether they are the standard basis vectors. There is an exploration of how to represent the transformations in terms of matrices and the implications of choosing different bases.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in understanding the problem, with one noting they have found matrix C. However, others express ongoing challenges in determining matrices A and B, indicating a need for further guidance or clarification on the relationships between the transformations.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the ambiguity regarding the basis vectors and the need for clarity on their definitions. Additionally, participants acknowledge that the problem requires working with transformations relative to specific bases, which may affect the interpretation of the matrices involved.

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I can't figure out how to take the first bite out of this one.

Homework Statement



Let T1: R^2 --> R^2 and T2: R^2 --> R^2 have the indicated properties. Find matrices A, B, and C such that:

T2T1x=Ax, T1T2x=Bx, (T1+T2)x=Cx

Homework Equations



T1e1=(1,3), T1e2=(2,2), T2e1=(-1,1), T2e2=(2,-1)

The Attempt at a Solution



I start by saying that T1e1+T2e1=(T1+T2)e1=(0,4)=Ce1 by adding the two matrices.

Using the same logic, I claim that T2e2+T1e2=(2,2)=(5,1)=Ce2

However, I can't go any further with that because I don't know e1 and e2, don't know T1, T2 (so I can't do the inverse of the transformation). Thus, I cannot find A, B, or C, that is, the sum and products of T1 and T2.

Thanks.
 
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are e1 & e2 the standard basis vectors (1,0) & (0,1)?
 
it doesn't really matter if the ej are the standard basis or not. they are obviously "some" basis, and we can only give a matrix relative to two bases (the domain basis and the co-domain basis), so we may as well choose {e1,e2} as the domain basis.
 
lanedance said:
are e1 & e2 the standard basis vectors (1,0) & (0,1)?

I don't know. Are e1 and e2 standard symbols for the standard basis vectors? Otherwise I think they are just referring to the general vectors {e1, e2}, rather than any specific vector. Perhaps I have to find those vectors first?

Deveno said:
it doesn't really matter if the ej are the standard basis or not. they are obviously "some" basis, and we can only give a matrix relative to two bases (the domain basis and the co-domain basis), so we may as well choose {e1,e2} as the domain basis.

That is how I have been approaching the problem thusfar, but as stated in the original problem post, cannot get any further.
 
lanedance said:
are e1 & e2 the standard basis vectors (1,0) & (0,1)?

It turns out that this is in fact the case. Still stuck, though...
 
scienceguy288 said:
It turns out that this is in fact the case. Still stuck, though...

Nevermind...I got C.

Still running into some trouble finding A and B, but will continue to work on it. If someone can give me a shove in the right direction, that would make my life that much easier...
 
If you have matrices representing T_1 and T_2 in the given basis (which are trivial to get), then, as you say, the matrix representing T_1+ T_2 is just the sum of those two matrices. And, of course, the matrices representing T_1T_2 and T_2T_1 are just the products of those two matrices in the given orders.
 
I have solved the problem. Thanks for the help.
 

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