Questions about emission spectra and Rhydberg equation for H-atom

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The discussion revolves around the emission spectra of hydrogen atoms and the application of the Rydberg equation to calculate the transitions responsible for the observed spectral lines. Participants explore theoretical concepts, experimental data, and calculations related to emission spectra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why no two emission spectra for different elements are the same, suggesting that excited atoms emit spectral lines at specific frequencies due to differing energy levels among elements.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about whether to use experimental data or researched data for the wavelengths of hydrogen's emission spectrum.
  • Participants discuss the application of the Rydberg equation, with one participant unsure about how to apply it to their data and whether to convert units from nm to cm.
  • There is mention of needing to find two integers for the transition levels in the Rydberg equation, with one participant suggesting trial and error as a method to determine these values.
  • One participant presents calculations using the Rydberg equation for specific transitions, providing numerical results for wavelengths.
  • Another participant points out that the calculated wavelengths do not match the previously mentioned experimental data, leading to speculation about the accuracy of the experimental results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence in their understanding and calculations, with some agreeing on the need to clarify the definitions of nf and ni, while others remain uncertain about the application of the Rydberg equation and the accuracy of their experimental data. No consensus is reached regarding the correctness of the experimental results or the calculations.

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Participants mention potential inaccuracies in experimental data and the need for clarity on the definitions of transition levels in the context of the Rydberg equation. There are unresolved questions about the correct application of the equation and the interpretation of results.

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I'm just curious to if I have answered this questions properly, and was wondering if someone can see if I should add more to what I have written, or completely change my answer. I'm pretty confident with what I've answered, but would like someone to check :)

So to begin...
1)Why are no two emission spectra for different elements ever the same?
2)What are the wavelengths of the lines in the hydrogen emission spectrum?
3) Use ryhdberg equation to calculate transitions in the H-atom that are taking place to give rise to each line. My answers
1) Excited atoms emit spectral lines at certain frequencies. Because each element has different energies, no two emission spectra for different elements for the emission spectra can ever be the same...That's my answer, how ever. I'm a bit unsure on maybe I should elaborate more...Was I right about the part on where I say "each element has different energies"?

2) I'm a bit confused for this. For this experiment, I found the different waves for hydrogen with a spectroscope. Should I use my experimental data, or research, and find the actual data? Cause I do have a feeling that my data MIGHT be incorrect.

3) Obvious the Rhydberg equation is 1/pi = R(1/n2f-1/n2i). Since R = 109737 cm, should I convert my values into CM as my final answer or NM? I'm not sure how to even do this equation at all...Here's a picture of the wavelengths of the H-atom I drew:

[PLAIN]http://s4.postimage.org/8dax1o0on/hydrogen_wavelength.png

That's the data I got according to my spectroscope. What exactly should I be plugging into the rhydberg equation for this?

I almsot forgot to ask, but this questions asks "Are the lines seen representatives of all the transitions that are taking place in the atom"? This is assuming withe spectroscope, so wouldn't that be YES because those lines show lights projected at all the different levels?
 
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I've figured everything out. But can't still solve this question:

"Using the Rhydberg equation, calculate the transitions in the H-atom that are taking place to give rise to each line."

If you look at my data, it has 7 lines...Shouldn't I just be calculating it from the highest line I found (750 nm) and the lowest (490 nm).

If someone can clarify this question for me, it would help me a ton.

So in my case, NF = 750, NI = 490. I will convert those into CM and basically plug n chug?
 
Transition is between two levels, so you need to find two integers that will yield the correct value. Other than trial and error I don't see how.
 
Borek said:
Transition is between two levels, so you need to find two integers that will yield the correct value. Other than trial and error I don't see how.

There's no way to predict that..Here's what I'm thinking is right:

1/pi = R(1/nf - 1/ni)

R = 109737 cm

nf = 750 nm = 7.5*10^-5 CM
ni = 490 nm = 4.9*10^10-9 CM

So...

1/pi = 109737 (1/(7.5*10^-5) - 1/(4.9*10^-9)) =

1/pi = -2.23*10^13


UGHhhh...what the heck! I JUST DONT GET THIS :(
 
Looks to me like you have no idea what are nf and ni.

Please check them.
 
I actually figured it out...

Here's my work:

a. R((1/2^2)-(1/3^2)) = .00152 = 1/.00152 = 657.89 nm
b. R((1/2^2)-(1/4^2)) = .00205 = 1/.00205 = 487.80 nm
c. R((1/2^2)-(1/5^2)) = .00230 = 1/.00230 = 434.78 nm
d. R((1/2^2)-(1/6^2)) = .00243 = 1/.00243 = 410.21 nm
 
Much better now, although still neither fits 750 nm.
 
My experimental data must have been wrong..What I've calculated is 100% right.
 

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