Questions regarding the constant of light and photons

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the speed of light, the behavior of photons, and the implications of these concepts in the context of special relativity and the expansion of space. Participants explore theoretical questions regarding why the speed of light is a constant and whether space can expand at this speed.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the speed of light is 186,000 miles per second and questions why this is a limit, suggesting that photons being weightless should allow for faster travel.
  • Another participant explains that special relativity posits that nothing material can exceed the speed of light, with additional force resulting in increased mass for massive particles.
  • It is mentioned that the exact reason for the speed of light's value is unknown, with many theories treating it as a constant.
  • One participant suggests that the speed of light is a universal constant that was assumed by Einstein, leading to the development of special relativity.
  • Questions are raised about whether space could be expanding at the speed of light, with one participant arguing that if two points in space were receding at this speed, they would not be able to communicate, which contradicts observations.
  • Another participant asks why space would be expanding at the speed of light, prompting further inquiry into the definitions of speed in this context.
  • A participant references another thread for additional insights on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the nature of the speed of light and the expansion of space, with no consensus reached on the reasons behind the speed of light being a constant or the implications of space expanding at this speed.

Contextual Notes

Some discussions hinge on the definitions of terms like "speed of expansion of space," and there are unresolved questions regarding the implications of light speed on communication between distant points in space.

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Hi I am curious about a few things i have read about light and would appreciate some help.

First of all to my knowledge the speed of light is 186,000 mps and of course its impossible to exceed or reach the barrier of light for any other object other than light. But I am curious as to why lights limit is only 186,000 mps and not faster, aren't photons weightless and would not have any resistance while traveling through space? Is there some sort of universal constant that cannot allow anything to achieve speeds higher? Help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Special relativity is the basic theory that says nothing material can reach or exceed the speed of light. When things are traveling close to the speed of light, applying additional force gets converted mostly into increased mass.
 
Firstly: as to why the speed of light assumes the value that it does, nobody really knows. The majority of current theories take it as a constant.

As mathman says, relativity explains nicely why the speed of light is, in effect, a universal "speed limit". All massless particles, such as photons, travel at precisely the speed of light. No less, no more. Massive particles (i.e. any particle that is not massless), will always travel less than the speed of light. As you accelerate them to higher and higher speeds, you find that more and more force is needed to produce a smaller increase in speed. This can be interpreted as the particles "gaining mass" in a reference frame at rest.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vacuum_permeability
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=vacuum_permittivity
 
snackster17 said:
But I am curious as to why lights limit is only 186,000 mps and not faster, aren't photons weightless and would not have any resistance while traveling through space? Is there some sort of universal constant that cannot allow anything to achieve speeds higher?

My 2 cents:

Why not faster? You could pick any number. It just so happens that from that particular number, the universe evolved as it did.

That speed is a universal constant. That is what Albert assumed and everything (special relativity) worked out perfectly.
 
thanks everyone for the feedback. Is it possible that space is expanding at the speed of light no faster no slower?
 
snackster17 said:
thanks everyone for the feedback. Is it possible that space is expanding at the speed of light no faster no slower?

You would have to define what you mean by the "speed of expansion of space" to get a completely meaningful answer to this.

However, intuitively I think it we can say that it cannot be expanding at the speed of light. Just consider two points in space, A & B, separated by some distance. We define the speed of expansion of space as the relative speed of separation of these points. Now, if they were receding at the speed of light, then no light emitted from A can reach B, nor vice versa. As such these two points cannot communicate with one another (and cannot see each other...).

Since A & B could be any points in space, (although this step is dependent on how you define speed of separation exactly), then it follows that no such points could communicate with one another. This is not what is observed.
 
snackster17 said:
thanks everyone for the feedback. Is it possible that space is expanding at the speed of light no faster no slower?

why would it be?
 

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