Quick question on mirror and lens scenario

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light when interacting with mirrors and lenses, specifically focusing on reflection and refraction. Participants explore questions related to the angles of reflection for concave and convex mirrors, as well as the behavior of light through diverging and converging lenses under various conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether light shining at an angle to a concave or convex mirror will reflect at the same angle when not directed at the center or focal points.
  • Another participant asserts that light hitting an off-center part of a mirror will reflect at a different angle than light hitting the center, emphasizing the nature of mirrors and lenses in converging or diverging light.
  • A clarification is made that the angle of reflection equals the angle of incidence at each point of reflection, particularly for curved mirrors.
  • For diverging lenses, it is proposed that if an object is placed in front of the focal point, the light will diverge after passing through the lens, rather than becoming parallel.
  • Discussion includes the behavior of converging lenses, noting that rays will diverge if the object is closer than the focal point and converge if farther away.
  • Participants express confusion over the correct interpretation of light behavior in relation to the diagrams provided, leading to further clarification and corrections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the principles of reflection and refraction, but there are disagreements regarding specific interpretations and applications of these principles, particularly in relation to the diagrams and scenarios presented.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of angles and the specific configurations of mirrors and lenses are not fully explored, leading to potential misunderstandings. The discussion also reflects varying levels of clarity regarding the behavior of light in different contexts.

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I attached a picture with 3 questions?

My first question is, I know that for a convex or concave mirror, If I shine a light at an angle to the middle of the mirror the light will reflect with the same angle. Will the angle be the same if I shine the light at the concave/convex mirror if it is not in the middle, when the light is not at the focal points, or parallel?

My second and third questions are related, for a diverging and converging lens, if I have the object in ront of the focal point, and the light is shining diagonally away from the focal point, will the light refract into the lens parallel?

The drawings should help elucidate!

Thank you!
 

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Shining the light at an off center part of the mirror would make the ray reflect at a different angle than shining it at the center of the mirror. That's precisely how mirrors and lenses work to converge or diverge light.

Placing an object closer to the lens than the focal point would make the light diverge after being refracted through the lens instead of being parallel.
 
My first question is, I know that for a convex or concave mirror, If I shine a light at an angle to the middle of the mirror the light will reflect with the same angle. Will the angle be the same if I shine the light at the concave/convex mirror if it is not in the middle, when the light is not at the focal points, or parallel?

The simple answer is that light is always reflected at the same angle from a mirror...
 

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CWatters said:
The simple answer is that light is always reflected at the same angle from a mirror...

That's only true for a flat mirror. Two parallel rays hitting a curved mirror will reflect at different angles if they hit in different locations.
 
From the diagram to which he added the reflected rays, I'm pretty sure that "always reflected at the same angle" was supposed to mean "always reflected at the same angle as it came in, at that point", i.e. angle of reflection = angle of incidence at each point of reflection.
 
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For the diverging lens, if the object was infront of the focal point, and the light is hitting it as shown in my picture, would then the refracting light continue to refract away in the same direction from the focal point instead of going parallel?

Lastly, what would happen to a converging lens for the same scenario in which the object is infront of the focal point?
 
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that was a diverging lens. In that case, the light will always be diverging after passing through the lens, no matter where you place the object. In your picture you have the light refracting the wrong way.

For a converging lens the rays will be refracted to parallel with each other if the object is located at the focal point, they will diverge if the object is closer to the lens than the focal point, and will converge if the object is farther from the lens than the focal point.
 
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Thanks everyone. I understand the problem now
 
Drakkith said:
That's only true for a flat mirror. Two parallel rays hitting a curved mirror will reflect at different angles if they hit in different locations.

You misunderstand what I meant.

Clearly two different rays hitting a curved mirror at different locations will reflect at different angles BUT each will still be reflected at the same angle it arrived at. The angle of incidence is always the same as the angle of reflection.
 
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CWatters said:
You misunderstand what I meant.

Clearly two different rays hitting a curved mirror at different locations will reflect at different angles BUT each will still be reflected at the same angle it arrived at. The angle of incidence is always the same as the angle of reflection.

Oh, you mean the angle of the ray compared to the mirror's surface. Gotcha.
 

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