Quotient of Real Analytic Functions

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the function \(\frac{x}{e^x-1}\) is real analytic in a neighborhood of zero, excluding zero itself. Participants are exploring the properties of real analytic functions and their quotients.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest using the Taylor series expansion of \(e^x\) and examining the conditions under which the quotient of two real analytic functions remains analytic. Others question the validity of applying Taylor's theorem in this context, particularly regarding the radius of convergence.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being proposed, including examining the series for \(e^{-x}\) and considering the composition of analytic functions. Participants are actively questioning assumptions and exploring different methods without reaching a consensus.

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There is a noted lack of resources or references that directly address the analyticity of quotients of real analytic functions, leading to some uncertainty in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


How can I show that \frac{x}{e^x-1} is real analytic in a neighborhood of zero, excluding zero?

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The Attempt at a Solution

 
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Shoelace Thm. said:

Homework Statement


How can I show that \frac{x}{e^x-1} is real analytic in a neighborhood of zero, excluding zero?


Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


Use the taylor series expansion of e^x. Then simplify a little and use that if f(x) and g(x) are real analytic, then f(x)/g(x) is real analytic at 0 if g(0)≠0.
 
How do I prove that if f(x) and g(x) are real analytic, then f(x)/g(x) is real analytic where g(0)≠0?
 
Shoelace Thm. said:
How do I prove that if f(x) and g(x) are real analytic, then f(x)/g(x) is real analytic where g(0)≠0?

Doesn't your book prove ANY theorems about real analytic functions? And what I actually meant to say is that if f(x) and g(x) are real analytic in a neighborhood of a and g(a)≠0, then f(x)/g(x) is real analytic in a neighborhood of a.
 
Well no, and I can't even find any mention of it online.
 
Well,maybe this will work: you can also see this as a quotient. You can ignore the -1 for a start, in e^x-1 ,and find the series for e^(-x) =1/e^x

then multiply by x , and play around to get the -1 back in .

Maybe massaging the series for xe^-x , to get the -1 back in will work.
 
How about using Taylor's theorem ( in the right domain)?
 
That won't work. Say the Taylor series for \frac{ x }{ e^x -1 } about zero is \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{B_n}{n!} x^n. We know nothing about \lim_{ n \to \infty } \sqrt[n]{ \frac{B_n}{n!}} because we know nothing about \lim_{n \to \infty} \frac{B_{n+1}}{B_n}. For all we know, the radius of convergence could be 0.

In fact, Taylor's Theorem only applies when we know a function can be represented as a power series. That is what we are trying to prove here.

Edit: On closer inspection, B_n seems to be less or equal to 1, but I can't prove this.
 
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Does anyone have a good way of proving this? Any help is appreciated.
 
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Why don't you give us Bn?
 
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I doubt it has a simple formula, just by calculating the first few coefficients. Is there not some general way of proving the analyticity of a quotient? Neither of SammyS's links are helpful in this regard.
 
  • #13
How about this ( change of approach):

Do you accept that the composition and product of analytic functions is analytic (taking care of the need for working out the composition of the domains of analyticity)?

If you do, then use :

f(x)= 1/(x-1) = 1+x+x^2+... ( in |x|<1 )

g(x)=e^x ;analytic everywhere

f(g(x))= 1/(e^x-1)

h(x)=x -- its own series--then h(x)*[f(g(x))]= x/(e^x -1)

Proof of closure under composition should be annoying , but not too difficult conceptually, I think .

Basically if g is analytic at y, then g(f(x)) is analytic when f(x)=y.
 
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Just curious: do you agree with my last post?
 

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