Radiation Exposure: Human Reactions to Low Levels

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around human reactions to low levels of radiation in an atmosphere, particularly focusing on the implications of radioactive isotopes and their potential effects on health. The conversation includes theoretical considerations, potential scenarios for storytelling, and the complexities of radiation exposure.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants clarify that "radiation" cannot be a component of the atmosphere, suggesting it refers to high energy particles or electromagnetic radiation from radioactive decay.
  • There is discussion about how human responses to radiation exposure depend on the specific radioactive isotopes present in the atmosphere.
  • Participants express uncertainty regarding the amount of radiation exposure that could lead to a significant reduction in lifespan, noting that many variables affect this outcome.
  • One participant suggests researching the types of radioactive isotopes and their biological effects, emphasizing the importance of understanding the context of exposure.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of radiation effects, including direct and stochastic effects, and the need for further research on thresholds for dangerous exposure levels.
  • There is speculation about the discussion being related to a science fiction scenario, with suggestions to merge the thread with others focused on storytelling.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial question regarding radiation in the atmosphere, and multiple competing views and uncertainties remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of clarity on specific isotopes discussed, the dependence on definitions of radiation and exposure, and the unresolved nature of the health effects associated with varying levels of radiation.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in the effects of radiation exposure, health implications of radioactive isotopes, and those exploring concepts for science fiction narratives may find this discussion relevant.

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How would humans react to living in an atmosphere that consists of 0.002% of radiation?
 
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I'm sorry, but the question makes no sense as worded. "Radiation" is not a gas so it can't be a component of an atmosphere. Can you reword?
 
In this context "radiation" refers to high energy particles or EM radiation that are emitted from radioactive decay, so it can't make up part of the atmosphere. Instead, there would be unstable, radioactive isotopes that decay and emit radiation. How people would respond to this highly depends on the specific radioactive isotopes that make up this 0.002% of the atmosphere.
 
russ_watters said:
Welcome to PF!
I'm sorry, but the question makes no sense as worded. "Radiation" is not a gas so it can't be a component of an atmosphere. Can you reword?
I'm sorry I don't know anything about science so I don't know how to word things.

Radiation that kills people.
How much would have to be exposed to someone so that they have 15 years to live?
 
Drakkith said:
In this context "radiation" refers to high energy particles or EM radiation that are emitted from radioactive decay, so it can't make up part of the atmosphere. Instead, there would be unstable, radioactive isotopes that decay and emit radiation. How people would respond to this highly depends on the specific radioactive isotopes that make up this 0.002% of the atmosphere.
Well what different types of radioactive isotopes are there?
 
Mike Rock said:
How much would have to be exposed to someone so that they have 15 years to live?
There's no simple answer to that question - too many variables. You might try this wikipedia article, follow some of the links and references from there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acute_radiation_syndrome
 
Mike Rock said:
Well what different types of radioactive isotopes are there?

Lots. Most elements have multiple isotopes, some of which are radioactive. Google "radioactive isotopes", read what you find, come back here with some more specific questions and you'll get better answers.
 
Nugatory said:
Lots. Most elements have multiple isotopes, some of which are radioactive. Google "radioactive isotopes", read what you find, come back here with some more specific questions and you'll get better answers.
Ok cheers
 
Mike Rock said:
Well what different types of radioactive isotopes are there?

Well, if you look at this chart of the isotopes: http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/, each box represents one of the known isotopes of elements that physicists have measured in some way. Now, the black boxes are the only ones that are stable. So, actually, most of the isotopes we know are radioactive. But, then again, most of these you'll never see on Earth. (Many of them you will see in astrophysical environments though).

However, if you're interested in this for a story, you're going to want to think about what possible isotopes could be released into the atmosphere to cause damage. So you should research what can be released from a fission weapon - that will reduce the pool of isotopes.

Then! You need to consider the biological effects of these isotopes. Different isotopes obviously have different chemistry and different ways of bio-accumulation - iodine is taken up by the thyroid, and strontium is taken up by bones, so have different effects, and require different amounts to do damage.

Then! You should look at some of the data about what thresholds are considered dangerous. In radiation safety, there are sort of two different ways you consider damage - direct effects (radiation sickness from very large doses), and stochastic effects from small doses (e.g. cancer). Anything that kills you in 15 years is a stochastic effect, and there is no way that everyone will die at once.

If it helps, the rough rule of thumb is that 1 μSv of radiation (remember that Sv depends on the type of radiation) increases your risk of cancer by one part in 21,000,000 (21 million), increases the risk of severe hereditary effects by one part in 125,000,000 (125 million) and has a total risk of one part in 18 million.

But the effect of radiation on people is a super super complicated (super interesting and super important) business, and you should really do some more research and think about it.
 
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Would I be right in thinking that this is about a scenario for a SF story?
 
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This thread should probably be merged with his other one in the sci fi forum.
 
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QuantumPion said:
This thread should probably be merged with his other one in the sci fi forum.

As long as the thread stays on the topic of radiation exposure, I'm content to leave it here. Any talk of the story details or anything having to do with creating a story will need to be in a thread in the sci-fi forum.
 
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Ha. That's why I asked the reason for the question.
 

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