Radius of proton motion in Magnetic field

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the radius of proton motion in a magnetic field, specifically within the context of the van Allen belts. The original poster is attempting to determine the radii for protons with energies of 0.1 MeV, 1 MeV, and 10 MeV, given a magnetic field strength of 0.1 G.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster converts MeV values to Joules and applies kinetic energy and Lorentz force equations to find the radius. They express confusion over discrepancies between their results and those provided by a mastering physics platform.
  • Participants question the correctness of the mass of the proton and the conversion of magnetic field strength from Gauss to Tesla, suggesting these may be sources of error.
  • There is a mention of considering gravitational potential energy due to the altitude of the van Allen belts, although the original poster notes that this may not significantly affect the velocities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring potential errors in calculations and assumptions. Some participants have provided guidance on checking specific values, such as the mass of the proton and the conversion of magnetic field units. There is no explicit consensus yet on the correct approach or values.

Contextual Notes

The original poster is working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific methods or assumptions that are not fully articulated in the discussion. The varying interpretations of the magnetic field strength and the mass of the proton are also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


ou're taking a class in space weather physics. Space weather deals with the dynamics of the far upper atmosphere and the magnetic regions surrounding the Earth. You're preparing a term paper on the van Allen belts, regions where high-energy particles are trapped in the Earth's magnetic field. Your textbook says the magnetic field strength at the belts is 0.1 G. To impress your professor, you calculate the radii of the spiral paths of 0.1-MeV, 1-MeV, and 10-MeV protons in the van Allen belts.

What values do you get for r(0.1 MeV), r(1 MeV), and r(10 MeV) in km?

Homework Equations


K = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2}

F_{B} = m\vec{a} = m\frac{v^{2}}{r} = q\vec{v} x \vec{B}


The Attempt at a Solution



I keep getting the same values, but the mastering physics answers are different.

First I convert the MeV values into Joules which =

0.1 MeV = 100,000eV = 1.6*10^{-14} J
1MeV = 1.6*10^{-13} J
10MeV = 1.6*10^{-12} J

then knowing the energy each proton has, we can find the velocities from:
K = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2}
v=\sqrt{\frac{2K}{m}}

then knowing the velocities, we solve for the radius using Lorentz eq.:

r = \frac{mv}{qB}

and from this I'm getting:

r(0.1 MeV) = 3.847 km
r(1 MeV) = 12.13 km
r(10 MeV) = 38.5 km

The mastering physics answers are:
4.6 km
14.0 km
46.0 km respectively


Is there something that I'm forgetting in my eq's? Should I be considering gravitational potential energy because the particle is at an altitude above the surface of the earth?

i actually tried this with some basic research on the altitude of the Van Allen belt where protons are, but the range I found was very large, and the velocities ended up being almost identical.

Any thoughts would be much appreciated.
 
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Are you sure you're using the right mass for a proton, or converting G into T? My answer for the first one matches the Mastering Physics answer.
 
Snazzy said:
Are you sure you're using the right mass for a proton, or converting G into T? My answer for the first one matches the Mastering Physics answer.

I have a feeling I'm making a stupid mistake.

Mass proton = 1.67 * 10^{-27} kg

0.1G = 0.00001 T = 1 * 10^{-5} T

is that what you're using?
 
Snazzy said:
Are you sure you're using the right mass for a proton, or converting G into T? My answer for the first one matches the Mastering Physics answer.

I have a feeling I'm making a stupid mistake.

Mass proton = 1.67 * 10^{-27}

0.1G = 0.00001 T = 1 * 10^{-5} T

q = 1.9 * 10^{-19} C

is that what you're using?
 
gills said:
q = 1.9 * 10^{-19} C

:rolleyes:
 
YUP! the same crap i do on my exams!
 

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