Ramp function, Dirac delta function and distributions

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The discussion centers on the properties of the ramp function, defined as r(x) = x for x ≥ 0 and r(x) = 0 for x < 0, and its relationship with the Dirac delta function in the context of distributions. The user successfully demonstrated that the integral of the ramp function's second derivative against a test function φ''(x) equals φ(0). However, confusion arises regarding the representation of the second derivative of the ramp function, questioning why it cannot simply be zero. The conclusion emphasizes that the second derivative exists only in the distributional sense, highlighting the nuances of distribution theory.

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[tex]r(x) = x[/tex] if [tex]x \geq 0[/tex] and [tex]r(x) = 0[/tex] if [tex]x<0[/tex]

I have to show that:

1-[tex]\[ \int_{- \infty}^{+ \infty} r(x) \varphi ''(x) dx = \varphi(0) \][/tex]

And 2- that the second derivative of r is the Dirac delta.

And I managed to do this by integrating by parts. Howver, I don't get why I can't just write:

[tex]\[ \int_{- \infty}^{+ \infty} r''(x) \varphi (x) dx = \varphi(0) \][/tex]

Wouldn't that be correct considering distributions (I actually used this to show the second point)? I guess my question is, why can't I write the second derivatives of the ramp function (the derivative of the Heaviside function) simply as

[tex]r(x) = 0[/tex] if [tex]x \geq 0[/tex] and [tex]r(x) = 0[/tex] if [tex]x<0[/tex]

i.e. 0

Which would make the integral = 0

Does it only have a second derivative in the distribution sense? Why?

EDIT: I don't get why my message is being displayed like this...
 
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