Random General Relativity conceptual questions

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This discussion revolves around conceptual questions related to general relativity, exploring various statements about geodesics, mass, light behavior near black holes, and the effects of angular momentum in gravitational fields. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a geodesic is a path that extremizes the invariant distance ds2, noting that whether it is a maximum or minimum depends on sign conventions and the nature of the geodesic.
  • There is a claim that a massive particle's rest mass does not increase with velocity, as it is considered an invariant quantity across different frames.
  • Participants discuss the behavior of a laser beam fired towards a black hole, with some stating that it depends on the relative positions of the observer, laser, and black hole, while others suggest the possibility of the beam bending around the black hole.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of 4-vectors, with one participant challenging the idea that a 4-vector can be both perpendicular and parallel to itself.
  • There is a contention about the effects of general relativity on the radius of stable circular orbits for massive particles, with some arguing that corrections always reduce the radius compared to Newtonian predictions, while others introduce the concept of limitations in predicting angular momentum effects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on several statements, particularly regarding the behavior of light near black holes and the implications of general relativity on angular momentum. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Some statements rely on specific definitions and assumptions, such as the nature of geodesics and the context of massive particles in gravitational fields. The discussion does not resolve these nuances.

coopre
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So I want to know if these are true or false, if false why are they

A geodesic is a path between two points in spacetime that maximizes the invariant
distance ds2.

A massive particle's rest mass increases with velocity.

If I re a laser beam in the general direction of a black hole, there is no way I
will get hit by any of the light from my laser.

A 4-vector can be both perpendicular and parallel to itself.

For a massive particle with angular momentum L orbiting a point mass, the
corrections dues to general relativity always make the radius of a stable circular
orbit (assuming it exists) smaller than it would be in Newtonian gravity.
 
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coopre said:
A geodesic is a path between two points in spacetime that maximizes the invariant distance ds2.
Technically it extremizes it. Whether the extremum is a maximum or a minimum depends on your sign convention (+--- vs -+++) and whether the geodesic is timelike or spacelike.

coopre said:
A massive particle's rest mass increases with velocity.
No, the rest mass is an invariant quantity and is the same in all frames regardless of the velocity in that frame.

coopre said:
If I re a laser beam in the general direction of a black hole, there is no way I will get hit by any of the light from my laser.
Depends where you and the laser and the black hole are positioned relative to each other.

coopre said:
A 4-vector can be both perpendicular and parallel to itself.
How do you figure this?
 
coopre said:
For a massive particle with angular momentum L orbiting a point mass, the
corrections dues to general relativity always make the radius of a stable circular
orbit (assuming it exists) smaller than it would be in Newtonian gravity.

Relativity can't always predict the effects of angular momentum correctly. The underlying Riemannian geometry just does not handle spin-orbit coupling. Check out Einstein-Cartan Theory for an (hypothetical) extension of Relativity and Riemannian Geometry.
 
coopre said:
If I re a laser beam in the general direction of a black hole, there is no way I
will get hit by any of the light from my laser.

It is possible for the laser beam to bend round the back of the black hole and come back at you. In extreme circumstances the photons can circumnavigate the black hole several times before coming back at you.

coopre said:
For a massive particle with angular momentum L orbiting a point mass, the
corrections dues to general relativity always make the radius of a stable circular
orbit (assuming it exists) smaller than it would be in Newtonian gravity.

If you can confirm that you are talking about a test particle orbiting a massive body such as a large black hole (and not an elementary particle such as an electron orbiting a nucleus) then I may be able to point you to the equations to resolve this question.
 

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