Range of Rational Functions....1

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the range of the rational function y = 1/(x + 4). Participants explore various methods to determine the range, including analyzing the function's domain, considering its inverse, and discussing the implications of function transformations.

Discussion Character

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express difficulty in finding the range of rational functions and seek a step-by-step approach.
  • One participant suggests that shifting a function does not affect its range and proposes that the range of y = 1/(x + 4) is the same as that of y = 1/x.
  • Another participant calculates the domain of y = 1/(x + 4) and concludes that the range is all real numbers except for -4, questioning if this is correct.
  • Some participants discuss the concept of the function being its own inverse and how this relates to determining the range.
  • There is a suggestion that finding the inverse of the function could help establish the range, with some participants attempting to derive the inverse function.
  • Confusion arises regarding the correct interpretation of the range, with some asserting it is all real numbers except for 0, while others maintain it should be all real numbers except for -4.
  • Participants engage in algebraic manipulations to find the inverse and discuss potential errors in their calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the range of the function, with multiple competing views presented regarding whether the range is all real numbers except for -4 or 0.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' claims depend on their interpretations of the function's transformations and inverses, leading to unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions about the implications of these transformations on the range.

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Finding the range of functions can be complicated. Rational functions can be complicated. I have a terribly hard time finding the range of functions.

Find the range of y = 1/(x + 4).

How is this done?

I want the steps.
 
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Shifting a function left/right won't affect its range...the given function will then have the same range as:

$$y=\frac{1}{x}$$

If you are familiar with the graph of this function, its range is readily apparent. If not, sometimes we can find the inverse function, whose domain is the range of the original. The function above is special in that it is its own inverse. So, take the domain of the above function, and you have its range as well, which will be the range of the original function you gave. :D
 
y = 1/(x + 4)

Set x + 4 = 0.

x + 4 - 4 = -4

x = -4

The domain is ALL REALL NUMBERS except that x cannot be -4.

If I understood correctly, the range is ALL REAL NUMBERS except for -4.

Is this right?
 
RTCNTC said:
y = 1/(x + 4)

Set x + 4 = 0.

x + 4 - 4 = -4

x = -4

The domain is ALL REALL NUMBERS except that x cannot be -4.

If I understood correctly, the range is ALL REAL NUMBERS except for -4.

Is this right?

I was talking about the following function:

$$y=\frac{1}{x}$$

being its own inverse. :D
 
For y = 1/x, the domain is ALL REALL NUMBERS except for 0.

So, the range of y = 1/( x + 4) is ALL REAL NUMBERS except for 0.

Yes? No?
 
Are you saying that I need to find the inverse of
y = 1/(x + 4)?

Let me see.

x = 1/(y + 4)

Then y + 4 = 0.

y + 4 - 4 = -4

y = -4

The domain of the inverse function is ALL REAL NUMBERS except for -4.

This is the range of the given function.

Correct?
 
RTCNTC said:
For y = 1/x, the domain is ALL REALL NUMBERS except for 0.

So, the range of y = 1/( x + 4) is ALL REAL NUMBERS except for 0.

Yes? No?

Yes, that's right.

RTCNTC said:
Are you saying that I need to find the inverse of
y = 1/(x + 4)?

I'm saying finding the inverse and taking its domain as the range of the original is one way to go about it. :D

RTCNTC said:
Let me see.

x = 1/(y + 4)

Now you want to solve for $y$, and then you have the inverse function.
 
x = 1/(y + 4)

x(y + 4) = 1

xy + 4y = 1

y(x + 4) = 1

y = 1/(x + 4)

Like you said, it is its own inverse.

The domain of y = 1/(x + 4) is ALL REAL NUMBERS except for -4.
 
RTCNTC said:
x = 1/(y + 4)

x(y + 4) = 1

xy + 4y = 1

y(x + 4) = 1

y = 1/(x + 4)

Like you said, it is its own inverse.

The domain of y = 1/(x + 4) is ALL REAL NUMBERS except for -4.

Let's go back to:

$$x=\frac{1}{y+4}$$

This means:

$$y+4=\frac{1}{x}$$

Or:

$$y=\frac{1}{x}-4$$

This demonstrates that the shift left/right has no bearing on the range.

Can you spot your algebraic error when solving for $y$ to get the inverse?
 
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Let me start again.

y = 1/(x + 4)

x = 1/(y + 4)

x(y + 4) = 1

xy + 4x = 1

xy = 1 - 4x

y = (1 - 4x)/x

The domain of the inverse is ALL REAL NUMBERS except for 0.

This is the range of the original function.
 

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