Rank Copper, Brass and Bronze by Thermal Conductivity

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The discussion revolves around ranking the thermal conductivity of Copper, Brass, and Bronze, exploring various sources and the impact of alloy compositions on thermal properties. Participants examine conflicting information and the nuances of different grades and types of these metals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that pure copper is the best thermal conductor among the three, while others highlight that the specific alloy compositions significantly affect thermal conductivity.
  • One participant notes that the thermal conductivity of copper can vary based on purity and temperature, mentioning that Oxygen Free High Conductivity Copper performs better at low temperatures.
  • Conflicting data is presented regarding the thermal conductivities of Copper, Brass, and Bronze from various sources, leading to confusion among participants about which source to trust.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of specifying alloy types, as there are numerous variations of Cu-Sn/Zn alloys that can influence thermal conductivity.
  • Discussion includes the impact of mechanical handling on thermal conductivity, suggesting that work-hardened copper may exhibit lower conductivity compared to its fresh counterpart.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the ranking of thermal conductivity among Copper, Brass, and Bronze, as multiple competing views and conflicting data sources remain. The discussion highlights the complexity of the topic due to varying alloy compositions and conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for specificity regarding alloy compositions and the effects of temperature and mechanical treatment on thermal conductivity. The discussion reflects the limitations of the provided sources and the variability in properties based on different factors.

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Can I get help ranking Copper, Brass and Bronze by Thermal Conductivity?
Hi,

Can I get help ranking Copper, Brass and Bronze by Thermal Conductivity?

This stuff below says Copper is the best Thermal Conductor, and Bronze is the worst.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_thermal_conductivities
https://www.engineersedge.com/properties_of_metals.htm
https://www.metalsupermarkets.com/which-metals-conduct-heat-best/
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/thermal-conductivity-metals-d_858.html

Here below says Bronze is the best Thermal Conductor, and Brass is the Worst.
https://at-machining.com/bronze-vs-brass-vs-copper/#:~:text=In terms of thermal conductivity,/hr-ft²-ºf.
https://www.rapiddirect.com/blog/brass-vs-bronze-vs-copper/

Here is says Copper is the best Thermal Conductor, and Brass is the Worst.
https://neutrium.net/heat-transfer/thermal-conductivity-of-metals-and-alloys/

I am confused.
 
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Specific alloy compositions are what?
 
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Pure copper is the best thermal conductor of the three.

However, there are many different grades of copper, brass and bronze and the thermal conductivity between different grades of the same alloy can be very different.
Typically, the type of copper used to machine parts is not very pure at all, it is an alloy; simply because really pure copper is typically too soft to be useful (and expensive).
It also depends on the temperature; Oxygen Free High Conductivity Copper is a much,much better thermal conductor than "regular" copper at low temperature; but at room temperature the difference is much smaller to the point where it is usually insignificant.

Hence, you need to be more specific.
 
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On Engineering Toolbox
Copper at 0-127c is 401-392 w/mk
Brass (70%cu 30%zn) at 20c is 111w/mk
Bronze (75%cu 25%zn)at 20c is 26w/mk

On Neutrium.net
Copper at 20c is 401w/mk
Bronze at 20c is 188w/mk
Brass at 20c is 144w/mk

They are providing conflicting info.
In your opinion, which of the above sources I provided is best, reliable or most accurate?
 
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I hope its not too late but I edited my latest response. Please do check it out.
At this point, i am leaning towards using Engineering Toolbox for reference. Many Thanks
 
There are numerous, not infinite but close, Cu-Sn/Zn alloys; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass. Cartridge brasses, music/acoustic brasses, naval brasses/bronzes, phophor-bronzes....

Hence the need request/s for specificity.
 
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Bronze (75%cu 25%zn)at 20c is 26w/mk
Bronze is an alloy consisting primarily of copper, commonly with about 12–12.5% tin (Sn) and often with the addition of other metals (including aluminum, manganese, nickel, or zinc). Brass consists of a mixture of copper and zinc, and as Bystander indicated, composition is a critical factor here.

Cu and Zn are neighbors in the periodic table, while Sn (Z = 50, A ~ 118.71). Larger, more massive atoms do not 'conduct' heat very well compared to lighter atoms (phonon conduction).

One also has to consider solid solution vs precipitation-based alloys (which usually means intermetallics), which interfere with heat transfer. In the case of precipitation hardened alloys, thermal conductivity can be improved if the alloy atoms are dispersed as fine precipitates in the main/bulk, here Cu, matrix.

Different kinds of commercial bronze alloys
https://www.advancebronze.com/bronze-alloy-chart/

A good source of information on Cu and Cu-alloys is the Copper Development Association, Inc.
https://copper.org/resources/properties/
https://copper.org/applications/marine/other-copper-alloys/brasses/
https://copper.org/resources/properties/microstructure/cu_tin.php (aka Bronzes)

https://www.copper.org/applications/industrial/DesignGuide/selection/elect02.html
 
It's not just the initial composition, but the mechanical handling.

I'd expect 'work-hardened' copper to have a lower thermal and electrical conductivity than the 'fresh' stuff.
 

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