Rate at Which 2 Masses & Springs Exchange Energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a two mass-three springs oscillator, specifically focusing on the rate at which energy is exchanged between the two masses during oscillation. Participants explore mathematical models and identities related to oscillatory motion.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes simulations showing that one mass oscillates and then almost stops while the other begins to move, prompting a question about predicting the energy exchange rate.
  • Another participant suggests that writing the differential equations reveals two modes of oscillation: one where the masses are in phase and another where they are out of phase, with different frequencies associated with each mode.
  • A mathematical expression for the oscillations is proposed, involving a combination of cosine functions that represent the two modes and their interaction.
  • A participant questions whether a specific trigonometric identity holds when the coefficients of the oscillation terms differ from unity.
  • Another participant responds that the identity does not directly apply but offers a method to separate terms to analyze the oscillation further.
  • A participant expresses concern that applying the identity may not lead to new insights regarding the energy exchange rate.
  • A final reply indicates a lack of further elaboration on the previous points, suggesting a divergence in the discussion's focus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present differing views on the application of mathematical identities and their relevance to understanding energy exchange, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing approaches.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the coefficients in the oscillation equations, and the dependency on specific mathematical identities may affect the analysis of energy transfer.

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I ran some simulations with a two mass-three springs oscillator. I found that one mass would oscillate for a while and then almost stop. When that happened the other would start moving back and forth. Is there a way I can predict at what rate the masses will exchange energy?
 
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Yes. If you write down the two differential equations, you can verify that the solution is a mix of two modes of oscillation.
a) One with the two masses en phase. In this case the central spring does nothing and the frequency is given just by the spring constant and the mass.
b) Another with the two masses in opposition of phase. This time the frequency is higher.
When you add the two modes, you should obtain something like: [tex][y_1]=A_1\cos\omega_1t + A_2\cos\omega_2t[/tex]
[tex][y_2]=A_1\cos\omega_1t - A_2\cos\omega_2t[/tex]
You can work this result in the form:
[tex]\cos\left({\omega_1+\omega_2\over 2}t\right) \cos\left({\omega_1-\omega_2\over 2}t\right)[/tex]
This gives and oscillation at the mean frequency, modulated by a sinusoid at half the frequency difference.
As you kown the dependency of energy with amplitude, you can work the power transfer between the two masses.
 
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It looks like your using the identity
[tex]cos{C} + cos{B} = 2 cos{\frac{C+B}{2}}cos{\frac{C-B}{2}}[/tex]
Would this identity still work if my coefficient for [tex]y_{n}[/tex] have values other than [tex]A_{n} = 1[/tex]?
 
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Not directly, but you can always split things as:
[tex][y_1]=A_1\cos\omega_1t + A_2\cos\omega_2t= A_1\left(\cos\omega_1t + \cos\omega_2t \right) + (A_2-A_1) \cos\omega_2t[/tex]
There is a constant amplitude term and a variable one.
 
If I implement the identity from here, won't it more or less bring me back to where I started? My goal is to figure out the rate at which the masses exchange energy.
 
Do as you like. But I know what I said.
 

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