Rate of evaporation from a dish fo water

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the rate of evaporation of fluid from a dish, described by a specific mathematical equation for its shape. The original poster is tasked with formulating a differential equation that governs the height of the fluid over time, given the relationship between evaporation rate and exposed surface area.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss expressing variables in terms of height and radius, with some attempting to derive relationships between height and radius. Questions arise regarding the correct interpretation of the variables involved, particularly the roles of x, y, and r in the context of the problem.

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Several participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, suggesting different ways to express the relationships between height and radius. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical expressions needed to formulate the differential equation, with some participants questioning the validity of their approaches and seeking clarification on the relationships between the variables.

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Participants note the challenge of determining constants or specific values due to the lack of information about the radius at a given time, which complicates the formulation of the equation. There is also mention of the initial conditions provided in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


A dish has a shape described by the equation:
h=(x^2+y^2)^3/2
At time = 0 it is filled to a height of 20cm with a fluid that evaporates when exposed to air. The evaporation rate is proportional to the exposed surface area (that is decreasing) at any time t.
if h(t) is the height of the fluid at time t then
dh/dt is proportional to pir(t)^2, r(t) is the radius at time t. After 20 minutes the height of the fluid was 19.7cm.
im trying to make a differential equation that governs the height h(t) during the evaporation.

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The Attempt at a Solution


initially I have:
expressed x as a function of h
with x=(h^3/2-y^2)^1/2
now I can't get started on forming the equation from this. Maybe volume is needed?
 
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hi azzarule! :smile:

(try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
azzarule said:
initially I have:
expressed x as a function of h
with x=(h^3/2-y^2)^1/2

forget x :redface:

use r :wink:
 
got mixed up,
wouldnt the height of the water be equivalent to the y value? and r would be equivalent to x?

r2 is then

rt2 = dh/dt * 1/pi ??
 
azzarule said:
wouldnt the height of the water be equivalent to the y value? and r would be equivalent to x?

no, the height is h (= z)

r is the radius at height h … you needn't bother with x and y :wink:
 
ok so,

dh/dt = ∏r(t)2

h(t) = ∫∏r(t)2 dt

= ∏r(t)2(∫dt)

=∏r(t)2t

so now h(t) = ∏r(t)2t +C
 
azzarule said:
h(t) = ∫∏r(t)2 dt

= ∏r(t)2(∫dt)

no, you can't take r2(t) outside the integral !

write h as a function of r
 
dh = ∏r2(t) dt

h = ∏r2(t2/2)
 
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I went like this and then got stuck again,

dh/dt = A**r2(t)

dh= A*∏*r2(t) dt

h = A*∏*r2(t)*t+C

then use t=20 and h=19.7

do I solve for A or c, also I can't solve for either of these because I don't know r??
 
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Or h=pi*r^3(t)/3 +c
 

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