Re-configurable Battery Network Modeling

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around modeling a circuit with multiple battery configurations and switch states to determine the output voltage for various switch combinations. Participants explore theoretical and practical implications of different switch settings and battery arrangements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to model a transformation matrix that maps switch states to output voltages based on a provided circuit diagram.
  • Another participant notes the complexity of switch combinations and highlights potential issues with high currents when batteries are connected in certain configurations.
  • It is proposed that instead of analyzing all switch combinations, the focus should be on the series combinations of batteries that can power the load, leading to a reduced number of configurations to consider.
  • Specific switch configurations are provided for different output voltage scenarios, such as when no batteries are powering the load or when specific batteries are used in series.
  • A participant expresses the need for a forward equation that allows for any combination of switches to determine the output voltage.
  • Another participant raises the question of whether the switching configuration should be solved for every possible topology, suggesting that this may not yield a general solution applicable to additional battery cells.
  • One participant advises against connecting batteries in parallel due to potential charging issues and lack of load balancing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the modeling of the circuit, with some advocating for a focus on series combinations while others question the feasibility of general solutions across various topologies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to model the circuit and the implications of different configurations.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention constraints related to switch configurations that could lead to short circuits or current spikes, indicating the need for careful consideration of safety in real-world applications. There is also an acknowledgment of the limitations in deriving a general solution that accommodates additional battery cells.

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I need to model circuit given at (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8MN0_dZJLHZRllhV2Y0M0FnaVU/view?usp=sharing) so that we may known output for any state of switches.
Given Information: Vector of State of Switches e.g. [s11 s12 s13 s21 s22 s23 s32]. I need to model a transformation matrix which maps switches states to output voltages.
Can anyone help me with that?
 
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An interesting problem. I don't have a full solution, but I can poke around at the start of one. First of all, I should say that there are some pretty bizarre switch combinations possible. For example, suppose $S_{32}, S_{22},$ and $S_{21}$ were closed, but all others were open. That would put $V_2$ in parallel with $V_{3}$. You don't normally do that. Whichever battery is at the higher voltage would try to charge the other battery, and because there are no circuit protection devices present, there would be no current-limiting. You can get phenomenally high currents with batteries sometimes. They're "always on". The presence of switches $S_{11}$ and $S_{21}$ is presumably to allow $V_1$ alone to power $V_{\text{out}}$, or $V_2$ to do it alone. But they raise some weird possibilities. So, while there are technically $2^7=128$ possible switch combinations, I propose to analyze the circuit differently: from which batteries you're going to put in series to power the load (which is what I'll call $V_{\text{out}}$). In this case, there are $2^3=8$ possible combinations of batteries in series to power the load. The battery combinations are: none, $V_1, V_1+V_2, V_1+V_3, V_2, V_2+V_3, V_3, V_1+V_2+V_3$. Let $x$ in a switch's configuration mean "don't care". That is, we don't care if that switch is closed or open. Let $1$ mean that a switch is closed, and $0$ mean it is open. So then, if we want no batteries to power the load, we would have
$$
\begin{bmatrix}S_{11}\\S_{12}\\S_{13}\\S_{21}\\S_{22}\\S_{23}\\S_{32}\end{bmatrix}=
\begin{bmatrix}x\\0\\x\\x\\0\\x\\0\end{bmatrix}.$$
But note that we wouldn't want $S_{11}$ and $S_{13}$ both to be closed, because that would short out $V_2$ and cause a current spike that might even melt the wires. By the same token, we wouldn't want both $S_{21}$ and $S_{23}$ closed. These two constraints are going to be true for every configuration. In a real-world circuit, to be safer, you'd probably combine $S_{11}$ and $S_{13}$ into a single-pole, triple-throw switch in order to avoid this possibility. If we want $V_{\text{out}}=V_1$, then the necessary switch combination is
$$
\begin{bmatrix}S_{11}\\S_{12}\\S_{13}\\S_{21}\\S_{22}\\S_{23}\\S_{32}\end{bmatrix}=
\begin{bmatrix}1\\1\\0\\1\\0\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}.$$
If we want $V_{\text{out}}=V_1+V_2$, then the necessary switch combination is
$$
\begin{bmatrix}S_{11}\\S_{12}\\S_{13}\\S_{21}\\S_{22}\\S_{23}\\S_{32}\end{bmatrix}=
\begin{bmatrix}0\\1\\1\\1\\0\\0\\0\end{bmatrix}.$$
Can you see how to get the rest of the options?
 
Thanks a lot for your reply. It was really helpful. Actually i have to deduce a forward equation in which i may insert any combination of switches to get the output voltage. How can this be extended through your equation?
 
Well, I would say that you need to obtain the correct switch settings for the other five battery combinations first. What are those?
 
In this circuit there are many other topologies possible like V1 || V2, (V1+V2) ||V3, V1||V2||V3..should this switching configuration be solved for every topology? This will not give a general solution which may even be used if we add one or two more cells.
 
I can't answer that for you - you have to decide. As I mentioned in Post # 2, I wouldn't connect the batteries in parallel, because one would charge another, and also because they wouldn't load balance.
 

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