Reaction Forces at Points A and B

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the reaction forces at points A and B for a uniform beam supported by a roller and a pin, subjected to various forces. It includes aspects of homework problem-solving, technical reasoning, and mathematical calculations related to static equilibrium.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial calculations for the reaction forces at points A and B, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.
  • Another participant points out the omission of the beam's weight in the calculations and clarifies that the reaction force at point B should be denoted as Rb_y, indicating its vertical component.
  • Subsequent posts involve participants asking how to incorporate the weight of the beam into their equations and where to place it in the calculations.
  • There is a discussion about the correct moment arm to use for the weight of the beam, with participants attempting to clarify the distance from point A to the center of gravity of the beam.
  • One participant confirms the correct formulation of the moment equations after incorporating the weight of the beam, but continues to seek validation on their understanding of the moment arms involved.
  • Another participant reassures them that they are on the right track after they correctly identify the moment arm for the weight force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement on the need to include the weight of the beam in the calculations, while there remains some confusion about the correct application of moment arms and the formulation of the equations. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the final values of the reaction forces.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the correct placement of the weight force in their equations and the appropriate moment arm to use, indicating potential gaps in understanding the static equilibrium principles involved.

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Homework Statement



As shown, a roller at point A and a pin at point B support a uniform beam that has a mass 25.0 kg . The beam is subjected to the forces f1 = 50.0N and f2= 79.0N . The dimensions are l1= 0.750m and l2= 2.30m . (Figure 2) What are the magnitudes and of the reaction forces and at points A and B, respectively? The beam's height and width are negligible.

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The Attempt at a Solution



(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75) = Rb *3.05
Rb=88.6

Ra * sin(53.13010)*3.05 = 50*2.3
Ra=47.1311

I am not sure if this is how you do this type of question..?
Also the answers are not correct as when I go to see if they are correct they come back as incorrect. The ansers i have tryed which are incorrect are, Fa = 47.1 Fb=88.6
 

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you forgot to include the weight from the beam , the resultant of which acts at its center. Also, what you are calling and solving for Rb is actually Rb_y...the vert comp of the support (reaction force)force at the pin B.
 
Sorry so what would the equation look like now (with the weight)?
Where do i put it?

Thanks
 
When determining force reactions, the weight of the uniform beam may be represented by a single weight force acting at its center of gravity (its mid point).
 
(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75) = Rb *3.05
Rb=88.6

Ra * sin(53.13010)*3.05 = 50*2.3
Ra=47.1311
I may be very slow, but i do understand what you are saying, however i am haveing trouble to where in this equation(above) does the force from the beam go. Do i just times the weight by 9.81 to find N and then just add or what?

Thanks
 
The mass of the beam in kg times 9.8 gives you the weight of the beam in Newtons. Place this downward force at 3.05/2 m from one end. Then redo your moment equations, which otherwise appear correct, except Rb should be Rb_y.
 
(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75)*25*9.81= Rb_y*3.05

Is that correct above?
 
wilson11 said:
(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75)*25*9.81= Rb_y*3.05

Is that correct above?
No-o. The moment from the 79 N force about A is correct. The moment of the 50 N force about A is 50 * 0.75. The moment of the weight force about A is 25*9.8 * (___?___). Add all three moments up and set them equal to Rb_y(3.05). Solve for Rb_y and continue...
 
Sorry if I seem very slow, But is what you are saying is:
(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75)+(25*9.81)= Rb_y*3.05

Please correct me if I am still getting it wrong..
 
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wilson11 said:
Sorry if I seem very slow, But is what you are saying is:
(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75)+(25*9.81)= Rb_y*3.05

Please correct me if I am still getting it wrong..
You correctly multiplied the other forces by the moment arm distances to A to find the value of the moments about A...but you are forgetting to multiply the weight force by its moment arm...the moment arm of the weight force about A is the perpendicular distance from its line of action to A...which is how much ??
 
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(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75)+(25*9.81*0.75)= Rb_y*3.05

I think i read that right. Is that what you mean? ^^^^
 
  • #12
wilson11 said:
(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75)+(25*9.81*0.75)= Rb_y*3.05

I think i read that right. Is that what you mean? ^^^^
You are still not getting it right...that's OK, it takes awhile... The weight resultant force of 25(9.8) N acts at the center of the beam, at 3.05/2 = 1.525 m from A...so why are you using 0.75 m as the moment arm of the weight force about A when you should be using __?___ m
 
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(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75)+(25*9.81*1.525)= Rb_y*3.05

I am sorry If i am wasteing your time, But is the above what you mean? I am sorry to be so slow but I am very confused about this question.
 
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wilson11 said:
(79*cos(15)*3.05)+(50*0.75)+(25*9.81*1.525)= Rb_y*3.05

I am sorry If i am wasteing your time, But is the above what you mean? I am sorry to be so slow but I am very confused about this question.
Yes, you now have it exactly right, :eek: solve for Rb_y. Now sum moments about B to solve for Ra, just like you did before , except don't forget to include the moment from the weight...,,, and once you find Ra, you can then find Ra_x from trig and Rb_x from Newton 1, and then Rb from pythagorus...I,ve got to catch some zzzz's...Ill get back to you in the morn or maybe someone else will chime in from the UK or beyond...
 

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