Real Analysis: Finding the Limit of a Riemann Sum

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The discussion focuses on finding the limit of the Riemann sum \(\sum_{k=1}^n \frac{k^3}{n^4}\) as \(n\) approaches infinity. Participants confirm that this sum can be expressed as a Riemann sum for the function \(f(x) = x^3\) over the interval [0, 1]. The key insight involves recognizing the closed-form expression for the sum of cubes, \(\sum_{k=1}^n k^3\), which simplifies the evaluation of the limit. The final conclusion is that the limit evaluates to \(\int_0^1 x^3 \, dx\).

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  • Understanding of Riemann sums and their definitions
  • Familiarity with limits and integrals in calculus
  • Knowledge of the closed-form expression for the sum of cubes
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Homework Statement


Find the limit, as n -> infinity, of \sum_{k=1}^nk3/n4

Homework Equations


Riemann sum: S(f, \pi, \sigma) = \sum_{k=1}^nf(\xi)(xk - xk-1)

The Attempt at a Solution


My guess is that I should try to put this sum in terms of a Riemann sum, and then taking n -> infinity will give an integral of something. I'm just not sure what it is. Any hints? Thanks!
 
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I don't think you'll be successful with a Riemann sum.

I tried a few approaches, and then started to look at the sequence of partial sums, S_n, where S_n = 1^3/n^4 + 2^3/n^4 + ... + n^3/n^4
= 1/n^4 * (1^3 + 2^3 + ... + n^3)

I started adding up the terms in the sum on the right and found that:
1^3 + 2^3 = 9
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 = 36
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + 4^3 = 100
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + 4^3 + 5^3 = 225

There seemed to be a pattern here: each of the rightmost numbers is a perfect square, and further, each perfect square was directly related to the numbers being cubed on the left side of the equals sign.

In other words,

1^3 + 2^3 = 9 = 3^2
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 = 36 = 6^2
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + 4^3 = 100 = 10^2
1^3 + 2^3 + 3^3 + 4^3 + 5^3 = 225 = 15^2

In the first bunch, you have 1 + 2 = 3
In the second, you have 1 + 2 + 3 = 6
In the third, you have 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 = 10
In the fourth, you have 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 15

I don't know if this is enough of a hint to get you all the way through this problem, but maybe it is. You'll still need to do some more work to find out whether S_n has a limit.
 
It's pretty likely to be a Riemann sum for f(x)=x^3. Don't you agree? Try it and see if it works. It does.
 
Dick said:
It's pretty likely to be a Riemann sum for f(x)=x^3. Don't you agree? Try it and see if it works. It does.

As usual, I'm just not seeing it. :redface: I guess the k^3 should be a dead giveaway, but I'm not sure what to do about the n^4. Is the limit = \intx^3 from a to b?

By using the definition of a Riemann sum, I get: \sum_{k=1}^n \xi3(xk-xk-1). But what are the xks?
 
Divide the interval [0,1] into n equal parts. The x_k's are the boundaries of the subintervals {1/n,2/n,3/n,...n/n}. Which point in each interval would be a good choice for 'xi'??
 
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Ok, so if I choose \xi = k/n = xk, then I get

\sum(k/n)3(k/n - (k-1)/n) = \sum(k3/n3)(1/n) = \sumk3/n4.

So the limit of this sum is \int_{0}^1x^3 ?
 
steelphantom said:
Ok, so if I choose \xi = k/n = xk, then I get

\sum(k/n)3(k/n - (k-1)/n) = \sum(k3/n3)(1/n) = \sumk3/n4.

So the limit of this sum is \int_{0}^1x^3 ?

Exactly.
 
Cool. Thanks!
 
Ok, I have another Riemann sum, but this time, it actually says what the integral evaluates to. The question is the following:

Show that the limit as n -> infinity \sum_{k=1}^nn/(n2+k2) = pi/4.

So I'm thinking that f(x) = sqrt(1-x2) on [0, 1]. But I'm having a hard time figuring out what to choose for \xi and xk so that the sums match up. I wouldn't just say that xk = k/n again, would I? It doesn't seem like that would work.
 
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steelphantom said:

Homework Statement


Find the limit, as n -> infinity, of \sum_{k=1}^nk3/n4

Homework Equations


Riemann sum: S(f, \pi, \sigma) = \sum_{k=1}^nf(\xi)(xk - xk-1)

The Attempt at a Solution


My guess is that I should try to put this sum in terms of a Riemann sum, and then taking n -> infinity will give an integral of something. I'm just not sure what it is. Any hints? Thanks!

There is a closed-form expression that will help with this.
<br /> \sum_{k=1}^n k^3<br />

can be written as a 4th degree polynomial in n: that will make your limit as n \to \infty easier to evaluate
 
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statdad said:
There is a closed-form expression that will help with this.
<br /> \sum_{k=1}^n k^3<br />

can be written as a 4th degree polynomial in n: that will make your limit as n \to \infty easier to evaluate

Thanks statdad, but I've already figured that one out with Dick's help. See the post right before yours for the one I'm now having trouble with.
 
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steelphantom said:
Ok, I have another Riemann sum, but this time, it actually says what the integral evaluates to. The question is the following:

Show that the limit as n -> infinity \sum_{k=1}^nn/(n2+k2) = pi/4.

So I'm thinking that f(x) = sqrt(1-x2) on [0, 1]. But I'm having a hard time figuring out what to choose for \xi and xk so that the sums match up. I wouldn't just say that xk = k/n again, would I? It doesn't seem like that would work.

Since you got the last one, you know there should be a (1/n) for the interval length and the rest should be the f(k/n) part. So write it as (1/n)*(n^2/(n^2+k^2)). Do you see it yet? Can you write n^2/(n^2+k^2) as a function of k/n?
 
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Dick said:
Since you got the last one, you know there should be a (1/n) for the interval length and the rest should be the f(k/n) part. So write it as (1/n)*(n^2/(n^2+k^2)). Do you see it yet? Can you write n^2/(n^2+k^2) as a function of k/n?

Got it. Thanks!
 

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