M: Solve Riemann Sum Problem Homework

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The discussion revolves around calculating a Riemann sum using right-hand endpoints for the function f(x) = x² + 1 over the interval [0, 1]. Participants are exploring the formulation of the Riemann sum and addressing challenges encountered during the calculation process.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the Riemann sum, including the definitions of ∆x and ck. There is an exploration of the summation formula for the sum of squares and how it applies to the problem. Questions arise regarding the correctness of terms used in the summation and the implications of substituting limits.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct formulation of the Riemann sum and the necessary summation formulas. There is an ongoing examination of the calculations and interpretations, with no explicit consensus reached on the final outcome.

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Participants express uncertainty about specific steps in their calculations and the implications of their results, indicating a need for clarification on the application of summation formulas and limit processes.

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Homework Statement


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Hello, thank you in advance for your help. I am calculating a Riemann sum with right hand endpoints. I hit a small snag, and I appreciate your help in getting me straight.

Homework Equations



f(x) = x2+ 1, over the interval [0,1]. This is problem number such-and-such from a well-known calculus textbook, not anything that is on an exam that I know of. The limit of these sums approaches infinity.

I'll call the Riemann Sum Sp, the length (x value) of the rectangles ∆x, and the height of the rectangles (y value) ck.

The Attempt at a Solution


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∆x = 1/n, good to go.

ck = a + k[(b - a)/n] = 0 + k (1/n) = k/n

Sp = Σ(k = 1, n) k/n * 1/n + 1

Sp = 1/n2 Σ(k = 1, n) k + 1

And here is where I ran out of juice.

Again, and help is appreciated.

SY
 
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SYoungblood said:

Homework Statement


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Hello, thank you in advance for your help. I am calculating a Riemann sum with right hand endpoints. I hit a small snag, and I appreciate your help in getting me straight.

Homework Equations



f(x) = x2+ 1, over the interval [0,1]. This is problem number such-and-such from a well-known calculus textbook, not anything that is on an exam that I know of. The limit of these sums approaches infinity.

I'll call the Riemann Sum Sp, the length (x value) of the rectangles ∆x, and the height of the rectangles (y value) ck.

The Attempt at a Solution


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∆x = 1/n, good to go.

ck = a + k[(b - a)/n] = 0 + k (1/n) = k/n

Sp = Σ(k = 1, n) k/n * 1/n + 1

Since ##f(x) = x^2 +1## and ##c_k = \frac k n##, then ##f(c_k) = \frac {k^2} {n^2}+1## so you should be calculating$$
\sum_{k=1}^n(\frac {k^2} {n^2}+1)\frac 1 n$$

You will need the formula for the sum of squares of the first n integers, which you can look up.
 
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I believe I just pulled a first-year calculus moron maneuver. Instead of k, it should be k2? And each term would then proceed to be determined using sigma notation for the degree of the individual term?

Here, that would be (as I see it),

Sp = 1/n2 *
∑k=1n k2 + ∑k=1n 1
= 1/n2 * [n(n+1)(2n+1)/6] + (n)-- my apologies for this being superscripted, I am having an issue w/ the formatting

Here, am I correct in understanding with the first sigma term, that reduces to n * 1/n2?

If I am, them we have 1/n * [(2n3+ n2+ 2n + n)/6]

= (2n3+ n2+3n)/6n

= (2n2+n + 3)/6

As I understand it, if i substitute the limit for n, infinity, then I am left with an area of 2/6 = 1/3 sp units. That doesn't pass the sniff test. What did I do wrong?

Thank you for your time.
 
SYoungblood said:
I believe I just pulled a first-year calculus moron maneuver. Instead of k, it should be k2? And each term would then proceed to be determined using sigma notation for the degree of the individual term?

Here, that would be (as I see it),

Sp = 1/n2 *
∑k=1n k2 + ∑k=1n 1
= 1/n2 * [n(n+1)(2n+1)/6] + (n)-- my apologies for this being superscripted, I am having an issue w/ the formatting

Here, am I correct in understanding with the first sigma term, that reduces to n * 1/n2?

If I am, them we have 1/n * [(2n3+ n2+ 2n + n)/6]

= (2n3+ n2+3n)/6n

= (2n2+n + 3)/6

As I understand it, if i substitute the limit for n, infinity, then I am left with an area of 2/6 = 1/3 sp units. That doesn't pass the sniff test. What did I do wrong?

Thank you for your time.
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