Real parameters and imaginary generators

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between imaginary generators and real parameters in the context of super-symmetry and Lie groups. Participants explore the implications of using imaginary generators to ensure that the parameters associated with group elements remain real, particularly in relation to the mathematical structure of the groups involved.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the connection between imaginary generators and real parameters, seeking clarification on whether parameters refer to those in the group element or those in the fundamental representation derivation.
  • Another participant explains that for a real Lie group, the parameters must be real numbers, and suggests that the use of imaginary exponents ensures the group element remains within a compact group like SU(2)xSU(2).
  • A third participant notes that if the generator is pure imaginary, this necessitates that the parameter must also be pure imaginary, linking the nature of the generator to the parameter's properties.
  • A fourth participant adds that the imaginary exponent is contingent on the generator being real and discusses the implications of the imaginary unit in quantum mechanics, particularly regarding observables.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of imaginary generators and the nature of parameters, indicating that multiple competing interpretations exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of parameters and generators, as well as the assumptions about the nature of the Lie group elements and their representations.

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I was reading some lecture notes on super-symmetry (http://people.sissa.it/~bertmat/lect2.pdf, second page). It is stated that ". In order for all rotation and boost parameters to be real, one must take all the Ji and Ki to be imaginary". I didn't understand the link between the two. What does imaginary generators have to do with getting real parameters? By parameters, do we mean the ones that appear in the group element as exponential of the generator, or the ones used when deriving the fundamental representation of these generators (see: https://www.classe.cornell.edu/~pt267/files/notes/FlipSUSY.pdf, page 3, phrase after (2.16) to understand what I mean)?
 
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The parameters parametrize the Lie group elements and for a real Lie group must be real numbers. We often for algebraic expediency consider the complexification (extension by allowing the parameters to be complex) especially when we embed the whole system within a representation algebra (typically a matrix algebra over a complex space.) The assertion here is that the exponent must be imaginary presumably in order to assure the Lie group element is within the mentioned SU(2)xSU(2) compact group. That exponent being the product of parameter and generating operator leads to the stated conclusion.
 
Let "T" be the generator. Then the group element is g=eiαT, where α is the parameter. The existence of the "i" already makes the exponential imaginary. If we make the generator pure imaginary, this will in fact require α to be pure imaginary.
 
The exponent in your form is imaginary provided the T generator is real (has all real e-vals). You can absorb the i into the generator but it is kept separate in QM because it also is identified as an observable. So the question about the "imaginarity" of iT passes through to the question of the "reality" of T.
 

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