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The discussion revolves around finding all real solutions for the equation involving square roots and rational expressions: $\sqrt{a-1}+\dfrac{\sqrt{a-1}}{a^2}+\dfrac{a^2}{a-1}=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{a-1}}+\dfrac{a-1}{a^2}+\dfrac{a^2}{\sqrt{a-1}}$. Participants explore various algebraic manipulations and factorization techniques to analyze the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests letting $b = \sqrt{a-1}$ and reformulating the equation, leading to a factorization approach.
  • Another participant reiterates the same approach, emphasizing the factorization $(b+a)(b-a)(a^2-b)(b-1) = 0$ and discusses the implications of each factor.
  • It is noted that if $b=a$, the resulting equation has no real solutions, and similarly for $b=a^2$.
  • One participant concludes that $b=1$ leads to $a=2$, which they propose as the only solution.
  • Further contributions discuss alternative methods to prove certain factors are always positive, indicating ongoing exploration of the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the algebraic manipulations and the conclusion that $a=2$ is a solution. However, there is no consensus on the completeness of the solution or the necessity of additional methods, as some participants suggest alternative approaches without resolving the overall question of all real solutions.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions are made regarding the positivity of $b$ and the condition $a>1$ for the square root to be defined. The discussion does not fully resolve the implications of the factorization or the completeness of the solution set.

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Find all real solutions of the equation $\sqrt{a-1}+\dfrac{\sqrt{a-1}}{a^2}+\dfrac{a^2}{a-1}=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{a-1}}+\dfrac{a-1}{a^2}+\dfrac{a^2}{\sqrt{a-1}}$.
 
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[sp]Let $b = \sqrt{a-1}$. Then $b + \dfrac b{a^2} + \dfrac{a^2}{b^2} = \dfrac1b + \dfrac{b^2}{a^2} + \dfrac{a^2}b.$ Also, $b^2 = a-1$, $b>0$ (assuming that we take the square root to be the positive one) and $a>1$ (so that the square root is defined). Multiply through by $a^2b^2$ to get $$a^2b^3 + b^3 + a^4 = a^2b + b^4 + a^4b.$$ Write this as $$b(b^2-a^2) + a^2b(b^2-a^2) - (b^4 - a^4) = 0.$$ That factorises as $(b^2-a^2)(b + a^2b - a^2-b^2) = 0$, and then factorises further as $(b+a)(b-a)(a^2-b)(b-1) = 0.$ The first factor cannot be zero because $a$ and $b$ are both positive. If $b=a$ then the equation $b^2=a-1$ becomes $a^2-a+1=0$, which has no real solutions. Similarly if $b=a^2$ then we get the equation $a^4-a+1=0$, which also has no real solutions. Finally, if $b=1$ then $a=2$, and that is the only solution to the problem.[/sp]
 
Let:

$$0<u^2=a-1$$

After making the substitution and multiplying the result by $$u^2\left(u^2+1 \right)^2$$ we obtain:

$$u^3\left(u^2+1 \right)^2+u^3+\left(u^2+1 \right)^4=u\left(u^2+1 \right)^2+u^4+u\left(u^2+1 \right)^4$$

which can be arranged and factored as:

$$(u-1)\left(u^6+2u^4+2u^2-u+1 \right)$$

Regarding the sextic factor (let's call if $f$), let's look at its derivative:

$$f'(u)=6u^5+8u^3+4u-1$$

Descartes' Rule of Signs tells us there is at most 1 positive real root. We should observe that it will be close to zero. Use of a numeric root finding technique puts this root at about:

$$u\approx0.22602207985644908028$$

We can see that the second derivative will be positive for all real $u$, hence this critical value is at a global minimum. We then find:

$$f_{\min}\approx f(0.22602207985644908028)\approx0.881502759171198736472582>0$$

Hence, we may conclude $f$ has no real roots, and so $u=1$ is the only root, which means:

$$a-1=1^2\implies a=2$$

is the only real root of the given equation.
 
Opalg said:
[sp]Let $b = \sqrt{a-1}$. Then $b + \dfrac b{a^2} + \dfrac{a^2}{b^2} = \dfrac1b + \dfrac{b^2}{a^2} + \dfrac{a^2}b.$ Also, $b^2 = a-1$, $b>0$ (assuming that we take the square root to be the positive one) and $a>1$ (so that the square root is defined). Multiply through by $a^2b^2$ to get $$a^2b^3 + b^3 + a^4 = a^2b + b^4 + a^4b.$$ Write this as $$b(b^2-a^2) + a^2b(b^2-a^2) - (b^4 - a^4) = 0.$$ That factorises as $(b^2-a^2)(b + a^2b - a^2-b^2) = 0$, and then factorises further as $(b+a)(b-a)(a^2-b)(b-1) = 0.$ The first factor cannot be zero because $a$ and $b$ are both positive. If $b=a$ then the equation $b^2=a-1$ becomes $a^2-a+1=0$, which has no real solutions. Similarly if $b=a^2$ then we get the equation $a^4-a+1=0$, which also has no real solutions. Finally, if $b=1$ then $a=2$, and that is the only solution to the problem.[/sp]

Thank you Opalg for participating! I initially thought to share the solution of other that I considered to be a brilliant way to attack this problem but now I see there is no need to do so...:o

MarkFL said:
Let:

$$0<u^2=a-1$$

After making the substitution and multiplying the result by $$u^2\left(u^2+1 \right)^2$$ we obtain:

$$u^3\left(u^2+1 \right)^2+u^3+\left(u^2+1 \right)^4=u\left(u^2+1 \right)^2+u^4+u\left(u^2+1 \right)^4$$

which can be arranged and factored as:

$$(u-1)\left(u^6+2u^4+2u^2-u+1 \right)$$

Regarding the sextic factor (let's call if $f$), let's look at its derivative:

$$f'(u)=6u^5+8u^3+4u-1$$

Descartes' Rule of Signs tells us there is at most 1 positive real root. We should observe that it will be close to zero. Use of a numeric root finding technique puts this root at about:

$$u\approx0.22602207985644908028$$

We can see that the second derivative will be positive for all real $u$, hence this critical value is at a global minimum. We then find:

$$f_{\min}\approx f(0.22602207985644908028)\approx0.881502759171198736472582>0$$

Hence, we may conclude $f$ has no real roots, and so $u=1$ is the only root, which means:

$$a-1=1^2\implies a=2$$

is the only real root of the given equation.

Hey MarkFL, my dearest and sweetest admin, I like your method so much as well! I think this is another great method to crack this problem! Thanks for your solution!(Sun)
 
Hey MarkFL,:) I see there is another way to prove the second factor in $$(u-1)\left(u^6+2u^4+2u^2-u+1 \right)$$ so that it is always greater than zero:

$$(u-1)\left(u^6+2u^4+2u^2-u+1 \right)=0$$

Regarding the sextic factor (let's call if $f$),

$\begin{align*}u^6+2u^4+2u^2-u+1&=(u^6+2u^4+u^2)+(u^2-u+1)\\&=u^2(u^4+2u^2+1)+\left(u-\dfrac{1}{2} \right)^2+1-\dfrac{1}{4}\\&=u^2(u^2+1)^2+\left(u-\dfrac{1}{2} \right)^2+\dfrac{3}{4}\\& >0 \end{align*}$

Hence, we may conclude $f$ has no real roots, and so $u=1$ is the only root, which means:

$$a-1=1^2\implies a=2$$

is the only real root of the given equation.
 
anemone said:
Hey MarkFL,:) I see there is another way to prove the second factor in $$(u-1)\left(u^6+2u^4+2u^2-u+1 \right)$$ so that it is always greater than zero:

$$(u-1)\left(u^6+2u^4+2u^2-u+1 \right)=0$$

Regarding the sextic factor (let's call if $f$),

$\begin{align*}u^6+2u^4+2u^2-u+1&=(u^6+2u^4+u^2)+(u^2-u+1)\\&=u^2(u^4+2u^2+1)+\left(u-\dfrac{1}{2} \right)^2+1-\dfrac{1}{4}\\&=u^2(u^2+1)^2+\left(u-\dfrac{1}{2} \right)^2+\dfrac{3}{4}\\& >0 \end{align*}$

Hence, we may conclude $f$ has no real roots, and so $u=1$ is the only root, which means:

$$a-1=1^2\implies a=2$$

is the only real root of the given equation.

Quite clever, and alleviates the need for any root analyses. (Yes)
 

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