Recommended Thermodynamics Books for Undergraduate Studies

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on recommendations for undergraduate-level thermodynamics textbooks. Participants share their experiences with various texts and express preferences based on different educational backgrounds and learning approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • Eduardo expresses dissatisfaction with Zemansky's "Heat and Thermodynamics" and praises Fermi's book, seeking additional recommendations with more problems.
  • Chet recommends "Introduction to Chemical Engineering Thermodynamics" by Smith and Van Ness.
  • td21 suggests "Thermodynamics and an Introduction to Thermostatistics" by Herbert B. Callen as a good option.
  • Another participant cautions that Callen may be too advanced for beginners and suggests "Modern Thermodynamics with Statistical Mechanics" by Carl S. Helrich for those with prior experience.
  • One participant defends Callen, arguing it is clear and precise, and claims it does not require advanced mathematics beyond multivariable calculus.
  • A different viewpoint is presented by another participant who prefers Peter Landsberg's "Thermodynamics and Statistical Mechanics," favoring an inductive approach over Callen's deductive style.
  • There is a mention of the importance of the perspective from which thermodynamics is learned, indicating that recommendations may vary based on whether one is approaching it from physics, chemistry, or engineering.
  • Eduardo thanks the participants for their suggestions.
  • One participant humorously hopes the recommended books have better English than the review page.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the suitability of specific textbooks for beginners versus those with prior knowledge. There is no consensus on a single recommended book, as preferences vary based on educational perspective and learning style.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the recommendations depend on the intended perspective of learning thermodynamics, which may influence the choice of textbooks.

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Hi everyone,

My english is bad, so please be patient.

I need to learn thermodynamics at an undergraduate level. I have taken courses with "heat and thermodynamics" by Zemansky, but I have found this book to be really bad, so I read Fermi's book and this is just great! But now I need another book with more problems than Fermi's book, because I am working on a guide for undergraduates who wants to learn physics and I want to learn more about this topic...so, any recommendation?

Eduardo Bec
 
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Smith and Van Ness, Introduction to Chemical Engineering Thermodynamics

Chet
 
Thermodynamics and an Introduction to Thermostatistics by [Herbert B. Callen] is a pretty good one.

td21
 
If it is your first exposure to thermodynamics, Callen would most likely be too advanced. I don't have any introductory suggestions but if you do have prior experience, Modern Thermodynamics with Statistical Mechanics by Carl S. Helrich would be another book to look into.
 
I second Callen. It is probably the clearest, most precise, most elegant, and, along with Pippard's "Elements of Classical Thermodynamics", one of the most insightful book on thermodynamics you will find. I don't see what's "advanced" about it. It doesn't require any math beyond multivariable calculus. Sure it takes a more formal approach to thermodynamics but I find that only makes it easier to learn the concepts as things aren't obfuscated by hand-wavy arguments.
 
I like Peter Landsberg, Thermodynamics and Statistical Mechanics, Dover.
I only had a glimpse at Callen, but from that I understand that he uses quite a deductive approach, simply postulating Entropy showing that this explains experimental observations.
That's ok, however I prefer a more inductive approach, starting out from some formulation of the second law and then show that this leads to an entropy function.
 
It depends what perspective you want to learn thermodynamics from. Obviously, Chestermiller is giving you the thermo book that most chemical engineering students would use, but if you intend to learn it from the ''physics perspective'' or ''chemistry perspective'' or ''mechanical engineering perspective'', the reccommendation may be very different.
 
Thank you all for the answers!

Best regards.
 
I hope the recommended books are written in better English than the review page.
 

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