Recovering the delta function with sin⁡(nx)/x

Click For Summary
The discussion focuses on recovering the delta function using the integral of sin(nx)/x as n approaches infinity. The integral is transformed through a change of variables, leading to the conclusion that it approximates the delta function behavior, specifically πδ(x). However, the attempt to expand the test function via Taylor series reveals divergence issues, primarily due to the non-absolutely integrable nature of sin(nx)/x. Participants suggest that manipulating the series or using principal value integration could help, but caution that rigorous justification is necessary for any oblique limits taken. Ultimately, the challenge lies in the interplay between the function's integrability and the behavior of the integral over infinite intervals.
Tbonewillsone
Messages
1
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement



Ultimately, I would like a expression that is the result of an integral with the sin(nx)/x function, with extra terms from the expansion. This expression would then reconstruct the delta function behaviour as n goes to infty, with the extra terms decaying to zero. I understand this might not be possible, and if so I'd like to know why!

Homework Equations



If we have

\begin{equation}
I= \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\left( \frac{\sin (n x)}{x} \right) f(x) \mathrm dx=\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}I_{n},
\end{equation}

then through a change of variables, nx=y

\begin{equation}
I_{n} = \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \left( \frac{\sin (n x)}{x} \right) f(x) \mathrm dx = \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \left( \frac{\sin (y)}{y} \right) f \left(\frac{y}{n} \right) \mathrm dy,
\end{equation}

and so

\begin{equation}
I = \int^{\infty}_{-\infty}\left( \frac{\sin (y)}{y} \right) f \left( 0 \right) \mathrm dy = \pi f \left( 0 \right) .
\end{equation}

This replicates the Dirac delta function, meaning that at this limit we can say

\begin{equation}
\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \left( \frac{\sin (n x)}{x} \right) \rightarrow \pi \delta(x).
\end{equation}

The Attempt at a Solution



I would like to expand the test function, and then, through taking the limit, recover the delta function property of our function.

\begin{equation}
I_{n} = \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \left( \frac{\sin (n x)}{x} \right) f(x) \mathrm dx = \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \left( \frac{\sin (y)}{y} \right) f \left(\frac{y}{n} \right) \mathrm dy,
\end{equation}

Putting the function through a Taylor expansion,

\begin{equation}
\int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \left( \frac{\sin (y)}{y} \right) f \left(\frac{y}{n} \right) \mathrm dy= \int^{\infty}_{-\infty} \left( \frac{\sin (y)}{y} \right) \left( f \left(0\right) + \frac{y}{n}f^{\prime} \left(0\right) + \frac{y^{2}}{n^{2}}f^{\prime \prime} \left( 0 \right) + \mathcal O\left( \frac{y^{3}}{n^{3}} \right) \right) \mathrm dy,
\end{equation}

This integral clearly diverges, I could take the limit at this stage, but I don't understand why this expansion would not work, it must be somehow linked to how "integrateable" the sin(nx)/x is. Is there any way I can manipulate the taylor series to get some converging terms together?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Why does the integral "clearly diverges"?
Sorry I'm not to used to working with integrals over infinite intervals, but I have a few things to point out, I hope it can help you. The one thing I know is that while you can think of delta function as a weak limit, one natural way to define it is as a continuous functional in the dual space of ## H^{1} ( \Omega ) ## so you have extra hyphotesis about ##f(x)## that you might use, about integrability of ##f## and it's first derivative (altought I don't think it's the most general way to define it, as it's enough to ask functions to be continuous). But infinite intervals have to be taken with extra care as the integrals in them are not well suited for lebesgue integration (well, improper riemann integration is taking a limit, so it's not really the classic definition with upper and lower sums).

Anyway, one of the things about ##sin(x)/x## is that it's not absolutely integrable, only integrable and this is not usually a good thing, specially when you try to interchange limits for things like taylor series.
If you want to manipulate the series you might want to use the fact that ##y/n## are pair functions to delete those terms from the expression. It's still not enough.

As I was saying, as ##sin(x)/x## is not absolutely integrable, so you might want to integrate it using the principal value to see if it's more well behaved.
$$
\lim_{R \to \infty} \int_{-R}^{R} \dfrac{sin(nx)}{x} dx
$$

You surely can recover delta function if you take a "oblique limit" I mean, make ##n## and ##R## go to infinity together with some special relationship, but I'm sure it would be hard to justify rigorously what you're doing.
 
Last edited:
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

Similar threads

  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
Replies
17
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K