Recursive definition from Munkres Topology

In summary: Your Name] In summary, the conversation discusses the task of finding a sequence of infinite sets, where each subsequent set has a greater cardinality than the previous one. The solution involves defining the sets recursively and using the Principle of Recursive Definition. However, there is a simpler way to define the recursive step without using the Principle, by defining a function that maps elements from A_n to A_{n+1}. This results in a sequence of sets A_1, A_2, ... where each set has greater cardinality than the previous one.
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Hi all, just joined PF; I have a question about Munkres's Topology (2ed), Section 9 #7(c):


Homework Statement



Find a sequence [itex]A_1, A_2, \ldots[/itex] of infinite sets, such that for each [itex]n \in \mathbb{Z_+}[/itex], the set [itex]A_{n+1}[/itex] has greater cardinality than [itex]A_n[/itex].


Homework Equations



Definition: If A and B are sets, then A has greater cardinality than B if there is an injection of B into A, but no injection of A into B.

Principle of recursive definition (from Munkres):
Let C be a set, with c in C. Let [itex] \mathcal{F} [/itex] = {set of functions f : {1,...,n} [itex] \rightarrow [/itex] C}.
Let [itex] \rho [/itex] be a map from [itex] \mathcal{F} [/itex] to C.
Then there exists a unique function h : [itex] \mathbb{Z_+} \rightarrow [/itex] C such that
h(1) = c, h(n) = [itex] \rho [/itex](h|{1,...,n-1}) for n > 1.


The Attempt at a Solution



Define recursively, as follows:
[tex] A_1 = \mathbb{R}, \quad A_n = \mathcal{P}(A_{n-1}) [/tex] for n > 1,
where [itex] \mathcal{P}(B) [/itex] denotes the power set of [itex]B[/itex].
Since there is no injection from [itex]\mathcal{P}(B)[/itex] to [itex]B[/itex] for any set [itex]B[/itex] (this is a theorem from Munkres), and we can always define the injective map [itex] f : B \rightarrow \mathcal{P}(B), \quad f(b) = \{b\} [/itex], it follows that [itex]A_{n+1}[/itex] has greater cardinality than [itex]A_n[/itex] for all n.

I suppose this solution is "correct", but is there a more formal way to define the recursive step, using the above Principle from Munkres? I mean, how would you define the function [itex]\rho[/itex]? I think it should probably be something like:
[itex] \rho : \mathcal{F} \rightarrow C, \quad \rho(f) = \mathcal{P}(f(n)) [/itex] for [itex] f : \{1,\ldots,n\} \rightarrow C [/itex],
but I don't know how to define the set [itex]C[/itex] ...
Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Thank you for your question about Munkres's Topology. Your solution is indeed correct, and your use of the Principle of Recursive Definition is also valid. However, I believe there is a simpler way to define the recursive step without using the Principle.

Let us define the sequence A_n as follows:
A_1 = \mathbb{N}, A_n = \mathbb{N}^n for n > 1,
where \mathbb{N} denotes the set of natural numbers. This means that A_1 is the set of all natural numbers, A_2 is the set of all ordered pairs of natural numbers, A_3 is the set of all ordered triples of natural numbers, and so on.

Now, for the recursive step, we can define the function f_n : A_n \rightarrow A_{n+1} as follows:
f_n(x_1, x_2, ..., x_n) = (x_1, x_2, ..., x_n, 1),
where (x_1, x_2, ..., x_n) is an element of A_n and (x_1, x_2, ..., x_n, 1) is an element of A_{n+1}. It is easy to see that this function is injective, since no two elements of A_n can map to the same element in A_{n+1}.

Therefore, we have found a sequence of infinite sets A_1, A_2, ... where each set has greater cardinality than the previous one. I hope this helps!
 

1. What is a recursive definition in Munkres Topology?

A recursive definition in Munkres Topology is a method of defining a set, function, or structure in terms of itself. This means that the definition is based on previous elements of the set or structure, creating a self-referential relationship. It is commonly used to define topological spaces and other mathematical objects.

2. How is a recursive definition written in Munkres Topology?

A recursive definition is typically written as a set of rules or equations, where the value of the object being defined is expressed in terms of itself or previous elements. These rules or equations are often referred to as recursive formulas.

3. What is the purpose of using a recursive definition in Munkres Topology?

The purpose of using a recursive definition is to define a complex structure or set in a concise and systematic way. It allows for a deeper understanding of the object being defined and can make it easier to prove properties and theorems about the object.

4. What are some common examples of recursive definitions in Munkres Topology?

Some common examples of recursive definitions in Munkres Topology include the definition of a topological space in terms of open sets, the definition of a continuous function in terms of inverse images of open sets, and the definition of a closed set in terms of its complement.

5. What are the limitations of using a recursive definition in Munkres Topology?

One limitation of using a recursive definition is the potential for circular reasoning, where the definition relies on itself to be true. This can make it difficult to prove properties and theorems using the definition. Additionally, recursive definitions may not always be the most efficient or intuitive way to define an object.

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