Reduction formula for ∫(lnx)^n dx

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The discussion revolves around deriving a reduction formula for the integral of the natural logarithm raised to the power of n, specifically ∫(lnx)^n dx, and applying it to evaluate the integral ∫1e (lnx)^3 dx.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore integration by parts as a method to derive the reduction formula, with one participant attempting to express the integral in terms of previous integrals. Others discuss the implications of the recurrence relation found and question the notation used for the logarithm.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to derive the reduction formula, with some participants suggesting alternative forms of the recurrence relation. The discussion includes clarifications on notation and the relationship between different forms of the integral.

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Participants note the specific case of evaluating the integral for n=3 and discuss the implications of the derived recurrence relations. There is also a mention of the assumptions regarding the integral's setup and notation that may affect the interpretation of the problem.

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Homework Statement



derive a reduction formula for ∫(lnx)n dx and use it to evaluate ∫1e (lnx)3dx

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In other examples we've started by saying ∫(lnx)ndx = ∫(lnx)(lnx)n-1dx and using integration by parts. So let:
f = (lnx)n-1
f' = (n-1)(lnx)n-2*1/x
g = x(lnx - 1)
g' = lnx

then ∫(lnx)ndx
= (lnx)n-1x(lnx - 1) - ∫(n-1)(lnx)n-2(lnx - 1) dx
= (lnx)n-1x(lnx - 1) - (n-1)∫(lnx)n-1 - (lnx)n-2 dx
= (lnx)n-1x(lnx - 1) - (n-1)∫(lnx)n-1 + (n-1)∫(lnx)n-2

at this point I get stuck because in all the examples I have seen we get minus the initial integral on the right and side and can add it to both sides to get n∫lnx)n dx = ... so ∫lnx)n dx =1/n[...]

Any help would be very appreciated.
 
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If ##I_n=\int\ln(x)^n.dx## then you have found the recurrence relation ##I_n=\ln(x)^{n-1}x(\ln(x) - 1) -(n-1)I_{n-1}+(n-1)I_{n-2}##.
You are not asked to solve it, except in the special case cited.
 
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haruspex said:
If ##I_n=\int\ln(x)^n.dx## then you have found the recurrence relation ##I_n=\ln(x)^{n-1}x(\ln(x) - 1) -(n-1)I_{n-1}+(n-1)I_{n-2}##.
You are not asked to solve it, except in the special case cited.
Careful. ##\ln (x)^n \neq (\ln x)^n##.

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You have solved the problem for ##n\geqslant 2## where ##I_0 :=x## may be assumed. Now use this recursive relation to evaluate the integral you need.
 
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nuuskur said:
Careful. ##\ln (x)^n \neq (\ln x)^n##.
Really? I did not write ##\ln (x^n)##. I would have thought the parentheses defined what is the argument to the function.
 
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By setting \begin{split}<br /> I_n &amp;= \int (\ln x)^n\,dx \\ <br /> &amp;= \int x \frac{(\ln x)^n}{x}\,dx \\<br /> &amp;= \int x \frac{1}{n+1}\frac{d}{dx} (\ln x)^{n+1}\,dx \\<br /> &amp;= \frac{1}{n+1}\left[x(\ln x)^{n+1}\right] - \frac1{n+1}I_{n+1} \\<br /> \end{split} (which is a standard trick for dealing with powers of \ln x) I obtain the first-order recurrence <br /> I_{n} = x(\ln x)^n - nI_{n-1},\qquad I_0 = x. This seems easier to work with than the second order recurrence given by @haruspex in #2 based on the OP's approach. That second order recurrence can be obtained from the above by subtracting I_{n-1} = x(\ln x)^{n-1} - (n-1)I_{n-2} from both sides.
 
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