Refractive index equation help

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the refractive index, particularly its definition, its real and complex components, and its relationship with permittivity. Participants explore the implications of complex refractive indices and seek clarification on related equations.

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  • One participant defines the refractive index as the ratio of the speed of light in a vacuum to the speed of light in a medium, questioning why it is often complex despite being derived from real numbers.
  • Another participant suggests that the refractive index's complex nature indicates absorption loss in the medium, proposing that the real part corresponds to the refractive index.
  • A participant raises a question about the relationship between the refractive index and permittivity, specifically whether the permittivity referred to in the equations is its real part, citing a potential conflict with established relations found in sources like Wikipedia.
  • One participant explains the components of the complex refractive index, detailing how the real part describes refraction and the imaginary part describes attenuation, emphasizing that the relationship between the refractive index and permittivity is more complex than a straightforward square root of the real part.
  • A later reply reiterates the explanation of the complex refractive index components and requests additional information about formulas for reflectivity and transmittivity involving complex refractive indices.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the refractive index and its relationship with permittivity, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the correct interpretation or application of the equations discussed.

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Participants note that the relationship between the real and imaginary parts of the refractive index and permittivity is not straightforward, and that assumptions about the material properties (e.g., whether it is lossy or non-magnetic) significantly affect the applicability of the equations.

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Refractive index is defined as

n = speed of light in a vacuum / speed of light in medium

Since both speed of light in a vacuum and speed of light in medium are real number, refractive index also has to be real. But we know that in general refractive index is complex. So what actually is "n" in the above equation? Is it real part of the complex refractive index, its absolute value or something else?

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From what I understand, it's the real part of the complex number. The imaginary part is just indicative of the amount of absorption loss when light passes through the material.
 
Ok, thanks. I have additional question.

The definition for the refractive index n= v/c is usually accompanied by the relation:

n = sqrt(epsilon)

where "epsilon" represents permittivity of the material. Should I suppose that by "permitivity" they mean its real part?

I'm asking this because according to wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refractive_index#Relation_to_dielectric_constant), the following relation:

n + ik = sqrt(epsilon' + i*epsilon'')

which connects complex refractive index and permittivity disagrees with the equation

Re(n) = sqrt(Re(epsilon))

that connects real part of refractive index and real part of permittivity that i supposed above. Any hints to where I am going wrong?

P.S Sorry for the formulae, haven't learnd to write them yet ;)
 
The complex-valued variable n' has components:

n = Real(n'): Describes the refraction, or bending, and slowing of waves in the medium, so that n = c/v
k = Imag(n'): Describes the spatial attenuation of waves in the medium (note that loss, but other things as well can lead to attenuation.)

The correct formula is: n' = sqrt(epsilon) where both n' and epsilon are complex-valued so that

n = Real(sqrt(epsilon))
k = Imag(sqrt(epsilon))

Note that Real(sqrt(epsilon)) is not equal to sqrt(Real(epsilon)) in general. If the material is not lossy so that Imag(epsilon)=0, and you are at a frequency where Real(epsilon) > 0, then the general equation reduces down to: n = sqrt(epsilon). So if epsilon is real and positive, you can use this equation, otherwise you have to use the more general form. Also note that the most general formula has a mu next to the epsilon to account for magnetic effects, so these formulae only really apply to non-magnetic materials where mu=1.
 
ok, thanks a lot ;)
 
chrisbaird said:
The complex-valued variable n' has components:

n = Real(n'): Describes the refraction, or bending, and slowing of waves in the medium, so that n = c/v
k = Imag(n'): Describes the spatial attenuation of waves in the medium (note that loss, but other things as well can lead to attenuation.)

The correct formula is: n' = sqrt(epsilon) where both n' and epsilon are complex-valued so that

n = Real(sqrt(epsilon))
k = Imag(sqrt(epsilon))

Note that Real(sqrt(epsilon)) is not equal to sqrt(Real(epsilon)) in general. If the material is not lossy so that Imag(epsilon)=0, and you are at a frequency where Real(epsilon) > 0, then the general equation reduces down to: n = sqrt(epsilon). So if epsilon is real and positive, you can use this equation, otherwise you have to use the more general form. Also note that the most general formula has a mu next to the epsilon to account for magnetic effects, so these formulae only really apply to non-magnetic materials where mu=1.

could you also tell the formula for reflectivity/transmittivity for a material with complex refractive index, also it would be awesome if you had any references
 

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