Related Rates Clay Pot Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a potter shaping clay into a cylinder, where the length of the cylinder increases while the radius decreases. The specific rates of change are given, and participants are exploring how to relate these changes mathematically.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the length and radius of the cylinder, questioning how to set up a function that connects these variables as they change over time. There is an exploration of the volume of the cylinder and how to differentiate it with respect to time.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in a detailed exploration of the problem, discussing the differentiation of the volume equation and the implications of constant volume. Some have provided guidance on how to approach the differentiation, while others are working through the implications of their findings.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the volume being constant during the process, which is a critical assumption in the discussion. Participants are also navigating the challenge of relating the rates of change of the radius and length effectively.

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Homework Statement



A potter forms a piece of clay into a cylinder. As he rolls it, the length, L, of the cylinder increases and the radius, r decreases. If the length of the cylinder is increasing at 0.1 cm per second, find the rate at which the radius is changing when the radius is 1 cm and the length is 5 cm.

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The Attempt at a Solution



So I know that dL/ds=0.1. But I don't know exactly how the radius changes as L changes. I'm having trouble setting up a function for this. If I had that I could do the rest of the problem.
 
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Burjam said:

Homework Statement



A potter forms a piece of clay into a cylinder. As he rolls it, the length, L, of the cylinder increases and the radius, r decreases. If the length of the cylinder is increasing at 0.1 cm per second, find the rate at which the radius is changing when the radius is 1 cm and the length is 5 cm.

Homework Equations



N/A

The Attempt at a Solution



So I know that dL/ds=0.1. But I don't know exactly how the radius changes as L changes. I'm having trouble setting up a function for this. If I had that I could do the rest of the problem.

The volume is constant as the potter rolls. What's an equation for the volume of a cylinder in terms of the radius and length?
 
Dick said:
The volume is constant as the potter rolls. What's an equation for the volume of a cylinder in terms of the radius and length?

V=Lπr2

But how can I connect this with time?
 
Burjam said:
V=Lπr2

But how can I connect this with time?

Differentiate both sides d/dt.
 
How can I differentiate this function with respect to time?
 
Burjam said:
How can I differentiate this function with respect to time?

V is a constant. r and L are both functions of time. Write V=πr(t)^2*L(t). Now differentiate it.
 
Dick said:
V is a constant. r and L are both functions of time. Write V=πr(t)^2*L(t). Now differentiate it.

Thank you I think I figured it out:

dV/dt=2L(t)πr(t)r'(t)+L'(t)πr(t)2
0=2L(t)πr(t)r'(t)+L'(t)πr(t)2
0=2L(t)r'(t)+L'(t)r(t)
2L(t)r'(t)=-L'(t)r(t)
r'(t)=-L'(t)r(t)/2L(t)r'(t)
r'(t)=-0.1(1)/2(5)
r'(t)=-0.1/10=-0.01cm/s
 
Burjam said:
Thank you I think I figured it out:

dV/dt=2L(t)πr(t)r'(t)+L'(t)πr(t)2
0=2L(t)πr(t)r'(t)+L'(t)πr(t)2
0=2L(t)r'(t)+L'(t)r(t)
2L(t)r'(t)=-L'(t)r(t)
r'(t)=-L'(t)r(t)/2L(t)r'(t)
r'(t)=-0.1(1)/2(5)
r'(t)=-0.1/10=-0.01cm/s

Right. Well done.
 

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