Relating Electric Field and Magnetic Field

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The problem involves protons moving in a circular path within a magnetic field and seeks to determine the electric field required to make their paths straight. The subject area includes concepts from electromagnetism, specifically the interaction between electric and magnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between electric and magnetic forces acting on protons, questioning how to express the net force when both fields are present. They explore the conditions necessary for straight-line motion and the implications of circular motion in a magnetic field.

Discussion Status

Several participants have provided insights into the relationships between the forces involved, with one suggesting the use of the Lorentz Force concept. There is an ongoing exploration of how to derive velocity from the given parameters, and some participants are refining their understanding of the equations involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for specific directions of the fields and the importance of understanding the relationship between velocity and radius in the context of circular motion. There is also mention of the potential confusion regarding which variable to solve for initially.

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Homework Statement



Protons move in a circle of radius 7.70cm in a 0.536 T magnetic field. What value of electric field could make their paths straight?

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



r = 0.0770 m
B = 0.536 T
m = 1.6*10^-27 kg
q = 1.6*10^-19 C

E = F / q

I'm not sure how to get force without a velocity.
 
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Hi PeachBanana,

Consider the answers to these questions:

If both an electric and magnetic field are present, how can you write the net force on the proton?

In order for the proton to move in a straight line, the net force on the proton must be what?

What kind of velocity does the proton have when it's circling around in a magnetic field? And what is the equation for that kind of velocity?

This should give you a hint:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron_motion
 
What should be the direction and magnitude of electric field so that protons go in straight direction?
If the force due to electric field is opposite to the direction of force and equal in magnitude to force exerted by the magnetic field, the protons go in a straight path.
i.e qvB=qE.

To get the velocity, i guess you are given sufficient data, what is the relation between velocity and radius?
 
I have now come up with:

qvB = mv^2 /r

qb = mv/r

v = rqB/m

v = (0.0770 m)(1.9*10^-19)(0.536 T) / (1.67 * 10^-27 kg)

v = 4.0*10^6 m/s

Hmm.
 
Just realized I solved for the wrong variable completely. Since F = qvb and I know "v," I can solve for "F." When I know "F", I can then use the fact that E = F/q.
 
PeachBanana said:
Since F = qvb and I know "v," I can solve for "F." When I know "F", I can then use the fact that E = F/q.

Edit: Ah yes, I see what you're doing. That should give you the correct numerical answer. Just make sure you specify the directions of the fields. For future reference, you should look at the Lorentz Force. This is the net force on a charged particle when both electric and magnetic fields are present.
 
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