Undergrad Relation between vectors in body coordinates and space coordinates

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The discussion centers on the equation ##a_{ji}dG_j'=dG_i'## and its implications regarding vector transformations between body and space axes. It is argued that the equation may be incorrect as it suggests that the vectors ##dG_i## and ##dG_i'## are equal, leading to a contradiction. The confusion arises from the assumption that the transformation matrix ##a_{ji}## is the identity matrix, which does not hold under differentiation. Ultimately, it is concluded that the author’s original equation is indeed correct, as it can be used to derive other relevant equations. The key takeaway is the importance of correctly applying transformation properties in vector calculus.
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Why is ##a_{ji}dG_j'=dG_i'## ?
from the third last line below.

##G_i=a_{ji}G_j'## because a vector labelled by the space axes is related to the same vector labelled by the body axes via a rotation transformation.

If ##a_{ji}dG_j'=dG_i'##, then we are saying a vector ##dG'## labelled by the body axes is related to the same vector labelled similarly via a rotation transformation. This doesn't make sense.

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They are doing the case where instantaneously the ## a_{ij} ## is the identity matrix, but it will still have a derivative. I think the equation should read, (in this case), ## dG_i=dG_i '+ da_{ji} G_j ' ##. The author was trying to say that ## dG_i ## is not equal to ## dG_i ' ## , but it appeared he might have written down something that isn't correct.
 
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Charles Link said:
They are doing the case where instantaneously the ## a_{ij} ## is the identity matrix, but it will still have a derivative. I think the equation should read, (in this case), ## dG_i=dG_i '+ da_{ji} G_j ' ##. The author was trying to say that ## dG_i ## is not equal to ## dG_i ' ## , but it appeared he might have written down something that isn't correct.

It doesn't seem like the equation is a mistake because he substituted it into (4.84) to get the equation you wrote and (4.85).

I think it's just because ##a_{ji}=\delta_{ji}##.

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It seems like using ##a_{ji}dG_j'=dG_i'## I can prove that ##dG_i=dG_i'##, a contradiction.

Let ##G_{j1}'## and ##G_{j2}'## be the vector ##G## at time ##t=0## and ##t=dt## respectively, labelled using the body axes.

Then, ##dG_j'=G_{j2}'-G_{j1}'##.

##a_{ji}dG_j'=a_{ji}(G_{j2}'-G_{j1}')=G_{i2}-G_{i1}=dG_i##.

Thus, ##dG_i'=dG_i##, a contradiction.

What's wrong?

EDIT: I found the mistake. ##a_{ji}(G_{j2}'-G_{j1}')=G_{i2}-G_{i1}## is wrong.
 
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It doesn't seem like the equation is a mistake because he substituted it into (4.84) to get the equation you wrote and (4.85).

I think it's just because ##a_{ji}=\delta_{ji}##.

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Yes, you are correct, and what he wrote is correct. (And yes, like you said, it can even be used to get the equation I wrote.)
 
Topic about reference frames, center of rotation, postion of origin etc Comoving ref. frame is frame that is attached to moving object, does that mean, in that frame translation and rotation of object is zero, because origin and axes(x,y,z) are fixed to object? Is it same if you place origin of frame at object center of mass or at object tail? What type of comoving frame exist? What is lab frame? If we talk about center of rotation do we always need to specified from what frame we observe?

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