Relativity Terminology: Lorentz Observer, Frame, Spacelike Vector

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The discussion revolves around the clarification of specific terms related to relativity, particularly "Lorentz observer," "Lorentz frame," and "spacelike vector." Participants seek to understand these concepts within the context of theoretical physics.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the definitions of "Lorentz observer," "Lorentz frame," and "spacelike vector," expressing difficulty in finding clear explanations in existing literature.
  • One participant defines a Lorentz frame as an inertial frame characterized by straight-line motion at constant speed, using Einstein's synchronization convention.
  • Another participant questions the term "Lorentz observer," suggesting it may refer to someone at rest in a Lorentz frame, but emphasizes the importance of context.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the focus on observers in relativity, suggesting it may misrepresent the theory as being about optical illusions.
  • Regarding spacelike vectors, one participant explains that a spacelike vector points towards a nearby point that is spacelike separated from a chosen point in spacetime.
  • Another participant describes "Lorentz invariant" as a standard term indicating that an object does not change under a Lorentz transformation, providing a method to check for invariance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and definitions regarding the terms discussed, with no consensus reached on the precise meaning of "Lorentz observer." The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of these terms.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of clear definitions in literature and the potential ambiguity surrounding the term "Lorentz observer," indicating that context may significantly influence its interpretation.

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Hi guys,

Can someone explain - as simply as possible - what the following terms mean?

1) Lorentz observer
2) Lorentz frame
3) spacelike vector

Thanks guys!
 
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Have you looked anywhere for definitions?
 
Yes I have read in books but 1) and 2) are often used without any explanation.

As far as 3) is concerned, I know what spacelike separation is, but I'm not sure what a spacelike vector is. 1) and 2) are more important for me right now!
 
Dixanadu said:
Yes I have read in books but 1) and 2) are often used without any explanation.

As far as 3) is concerned, I know what spacelike separation is, but I'm not sure what a spacelike vector is. 1) and 2) are more important for me right now!
I can't imagine what search phrase you are using but I put in "what is a lorentz frame" and got plenty of explanations.
 
Dixanadu said:
2) Lorentz frame
A Lorentz frame is an inertial frame (force-free motion is in a straight line at constant speed) using Einstein's synchronization convention.
 
Thank you for clarifying! Could you also tell me what a Lorentz observer is? or it is just someone in a lorentz frame?
 
I would have to see the context, although I could probably guess. It isn't a standard term that I am aware of.

In general I don't like the pedagogical obsession with observers. It gives the impression that relativity is about optical illusions.

By the way, everyone is "in" every frame. They may be "at rest in" or "moving in" any given frame, but either way they are "in" it.
 
Okay thank you. I hate to keep persisting but there is one more thing which I am a bit confused about.

What does it mean if something is Lorentz invariant? Say for example a typical lorentz transformation is given by \Lambda^{\mu}_{\hphantom{x}\nu}, and that we want to check if some object, say \phi, is invariant under it. How would you go about doing it?
 
No problem. "Lorentz invariant" is a standard term. It just means that the object in question does not change under a Lorentz transformation. So to check, all you have to do is find the value in one frame, transform into the other frame, and check that it is the same.

http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath398/kmath398.htm
 
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Dixanadu said:
I know what spacelike separation is, but I'm not sure what a spacelike vector is.

A spacelike vector is a vector that points in a spacelike direction. If you think of a point in spacetime, and then consider nearby points, there will be a vector at the chosen point that points towards each of the nearby points. If a particular nearby point is spacelike separated from the chosen point, then the vector that points towards it from the chosen point is a spacelike vector.
 
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Dixanadu said:
Could you also tell me what a Lorentz observer is? or it is just someone in a lorentz frame?

As DaleSpam noted, context is important. My guess is that it means an observer who is at rest in a Lorentz frame.
 

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