Reparametrize the curve in terms of arc length

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The discussion revolves around reparametrizing a curve defined by the equations x = e^t, y = √2t, and z = -e^-t in terms of arc length from the point where t = 0. Participants are exploring the calculation of arc length using the integral of the magnitude of the derivative of the curve.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of arc length and the expression for ||R'(t)||. There is an attempt to express the arc length S in terms of t, with some participants suggesting the use of hyperbolic functions and others exploring algebraic manipulations. Questions arise regarding the transformation of the arc length equation into a form that isolates t.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing various approaches to express t in terms of S. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of hyperbolic sine functions and quadratic equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the final form of the reparametrization.

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Participants express uncertainty about hyperbolic functions and the implications of the problem's constraints, particularly regarding the positivity of certain variables derived from the context of the curve.

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Reparametrize the curve R(t) in terms of arc length measured from the point where t = 0

R(t) is defined by x = et, y = [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]t, z = -e-t

Arc length S = ∫ ||R'(t)||dt

||R'(t)||= sqrt{[itex]\dot{x}[/itex]2 + [itex]\dot{y}[/itex]2 + [itex]\dot{z}[/itex]2}The attempt at a solution

Getting R'(t) ==> x = et, y = [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex], z = e-t

Then ||R'(t)|| = sqrt{e2t + 2 + e-2t} = et + e-t

S = ∫(et + e-t)dt from 0 to some t
So
S = et - e-t

This is the point where I get stuck. How can I transform this equation into form t = ... ?

I tried taking ln of the whole equation but it doesn't seem to work.

Help please!
 
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Recall that:

[tex]\frac{e^{t}-e^{-t}}{2} = sinh(t)[/tex]

Where sinh(t) is the hyperbolic sine function. Can you take it from here?
 
melifaro said:
Reparametrize the curve R(t) in terms of arc length measured from the point where t = 0

R(t) is defined by x = et, y = [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]t, z = -e-t

Arc length S = ∫ ||R'(t)||dt

||R'(t)||= sqrt{[itex]\dot{x}[/itex]2 + [itex]\dot{y}[/itex]2 + [itex]\dot{z}[/itex]2}

The attempt at a solution

Getting R'(t) ==> x = et, y = [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex], z = e-t

Then ||R'(t)|| = sqrt{e2t + 2 + e-2t} = et + e-t

S = ∫(et + e-t)dt from 0 to some t
So
S = et - e-t

This is the point where I get stuck. How can I transform this equation into form t = ... ?

I tried taking ln of the whole equation but it doesn't seem to work.

Help please!
Hello melifaro. Welcome to PF !

What's the definition of the hyperbolic sine, sinh(x) ?

Added in Edit:

Of course using the sinh function will leave S as a function of arcsinh(t).

Alternatively take the equation
S = et - e-t
and multiply by et to get an equation that's quadratic in et. Solve for et. (Keep only the + solution from the ± result. Why can you do that?) Take the natural log of the result.
 
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I'm not very familiar with hyperbolic functions but does that mean that

S = 2 sinh(t)
sinh-1([itex]\frac{S}{2}[/itex]) = t ?

So R(s) is defined by x = esinh-1([itex]\frac{S}{2}[/itex]), y = [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]sinh-1([itex]\frac{S}{2}[/itex]), z = e-sinh-1([itex]\frac{S}{2}[/itex])

EDIT

SammyS said:
Alternatively take the equation
S = et - e-t
and multiply by et to get an equation that's quadratic in et. Solve for et. (Keep only the + solution from the ± result. Why can you do that?) Take the natural log of the result.

This is so simple and so smart. Thanks a lot!
 
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melifaro said:
I'm not very familiar with hyperbolic functions but does that mean that

S = 2 sinh(t)
sinh-1([itex]\frac{S}{2}[/itex]) = t ?

So R(s) is defined by x = esinh-1([itex]\frac{S}{2}[/itex]), y = [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]sinh-1([itex]\frac{S}{2}[/itex]), z = -e-sinh-1([itex]\frac{S}{2}[/itex])

EDIT

This is so simple and so smart. Thanks a lot!
The x & z components come out very nicely using the result from the quadratic equation.

BTW: You left the negative off of the result for z.
 
You are close, but can still simplify it:

[tex]2sinh(t) = S[/tex]
[tex]t = sin^{-1}(\frac{S}{2})[/tex]
[tex]t= ln(\frac{1}{2}(S\pm\sqrt{4+s^{2}}))[/tex]

Edit: fixed
 
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SammyS said:
[...]Keep only the + solution from the ± result. Why can you do that?[...]

Just to make sure, is it because t is always positive from the problem description?

Edit

DivisionByZro said:
You are close, but can still simplify it:

[tex]2sinh(t) = S[/tex]
[tex]t = sin^{-1}(\frac{S}{2})[/tex]
[tex]t= ln(S\pm\sqrt{1+s^{2}})[/tex]

Yes, thanks. As I said I am not familiar with hyperbolic functions so SammyS' solution better for me
 
melifaro said:
Just to make sure, is it because t is always positive from the problem description?
It's because you were solving for et. That's always positive, as a function of a real variable.
 
SammyS said:
It's because you were solving for et. That's always positive, as a function of a real variable.

Thank you!
 

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