Representing violet with an RGB display

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The discussion revolves around how RGB displays represent the color violet, which has a higher frequency than blue. Participants explore the mechanisms of color perception and the limitations of RGB technology in accurately reproducing violet light.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that RGB displays simulate violet by combining blue and red light, suggesting that what is displayed is more akin to purple than true violet.
  • Others argue that the human eye's three color receptors (red, green, blue) allow for the perception of violet light, as violet stimulates both red and blue receptors.
  • A participant questions whether the red receptors truly have significant sensitivity to violet light, noting the wavelength relationship between red and violet and suggesting a possible resonance effect.
  • Another participant clarifies that the red receptor has a broad sensitivity, allowing it to respond to violet light, while the green receptor has a narrow peak and is less responsive to violet.
  • Some participants mention that typical monitors cannot reproduce the full range of colors visible to the human eye, which may affect the representation of violet.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the representation of violet on RGB displays and the underlying mechanisms of color perception. The discussion remains unresolved, with differing opinions on the nature of violet and the capabilities of RGB technology.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of color perception and the unresolved aspects of how closely RGB representations align with true violet light. The discussion also highlights the complexity of human color vision and the constraints of display technology.

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The violet color has a higher frequency than blue. An RGB display can represent at each pixel the frequencies for red, green and blue. Therefore the highest frequency that the display can emit is that of blue. Yet, somehow, RGB displays can represent violet, which has an even higher frequency.

What explains this?
 
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Bandersnatch said:
RGB displays simulate violet as a combination of blue and red

I know, but it's not what I asked.
 
The human eye has only three colour receptors for blue, green and red. Violet light stimulates both the red and blue receptors because the red receptor has an absorption maximum both in the red and in the violet region of the spectrum. So the impression generated by a mixture of blue and red light is strictly equivalent to that of violet light.
 
I was wondering about the same thing some time ago, or "how can we distinguish violet from blue?"
Apparently the red cones are also sensitive to a narrow band of blueish frequencies. So when you see violet it's exciting your red cones as well.
I don't remember where I read about it and I don't know how reliable that is. But it would explain 1) how you can see violet 2) how you can reproduce violet with blue+red 3) why violet can blend well with both blue and red.
 
DrDu said:
The human eye has only three colour receptors for blue, green and red. Violet light stimulates both the red and blue receptors because the red receptor has an absorption maximum both in the red and in the violet region of the spectrum. So the impression generated by a mixture of blue and red light is strictly equivalent to that of violet light.

Red and violet are at almost opposite ends of the visible light spectrum. Do red receptors really have their highest "peaks" at two very different locations in the spectrum?

Looking at the wavelengths, I notice that the shortest wavelength of violet is about exactly half of the longest wavelength of red. In other words, they are about an "octave" apart. Am I guessing correctly that this is not coincidence, but there's some kind of resonance effect in play here?
 
Warp said:
Red and violet are at almost opposite ends of the visible light spectrum. Do red receptors really have their highest "peaks" at two very different locations in the spectrum?
It's not the highest peaks. Peak of red receptor is in red, but it's very broad. So there is enough sensitivity in violet still for both red and blue receptors to be tripped. Green receptor, in contrast, has a very narrow peak, so it receives almost no excitation in violet.

That's why violet looks similar to RGB magenta or purple, but not quite the same. The fact that you cannot reproduce violet has something to do with it being past the range of violet, but it's not the only reason.

You might find this article to be of interest. CIE 1931
 

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