Resistor currect and voltage drop in a circuit.

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The discussion revolves around a circuit analysis problem involving multiple resistors (R1, R2, R3, R4, R5) and the application of a voltage of 110 volts. Participants are tasked with determining the current through R2, the voltage drop across R2, and the effects of varying R2 while keeping other resistances constant.

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  • Participants discuss the use of Ohm's law (V=IR) to find current and voltage drops. Some mention calculating equivalent resistance and total current before addressing individual resistors. Others explore the implications of series and parallel resistor configurations on voltage and current distribution.

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There is ongoing exploration of the circuit simplification process, with participants attempting to clarify their understanding of voltage and current relationships in series and parallel arrangements. Some have provided guidance on how to approach the problem step-by-step, while others express uncertainty about specific terms and concepts.

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Consider this circuit with R1 = 30 ohm, R2 = 10 ohm, R3 = 10 ohm, R4 = 20 ohm,
R5 = 60 ohm. (the circuit is attached)

A. What is the current across the resistor R2, if a voltage of 110 Volt is applied to
the two terminals at the bottom of the figure?
B. What is the voltage drop across R2?
C. Keep all other resistances at the same value, but allow R2 to vary. What are the
minimum and maximum resistances that this circuit can have?


I know that i have to use V=IR to solve for the voltage drop and the current across the resistor.

I have already found the equivilent resistance of the arrangement. I am able to find the total current throughout the whole circuit, but after that I don't really know where to start.
 

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davidepalmer said:
Consider this circuit with R1 = 30 ohm, R2 = 10 ohm, R3 = 10 ohm, R4 = 20 ohm,
R5 = 60 ohm. (the circuit is attached)

A. What is the current across the resistor R2, if a voltage of 110 Volt is applied to
the two terminals at the bottom of the figure?
B. What is the voltage drop across R2?
C. Keep all other resistances at the same value, but allow R2 to vary. What are the
minimum and maximum resistances that this circuit can have?I know that i have to use V=IR to solve for the voltage drop and the current across the resistor.

I have already found the equivilent resistance of the arrangement. I am able to find the total current throughout the whole circuit, but after that I don't really know where to start.
After you have the total current through one jumbo resistor R_{eq} you can begin to then reverse your resistor simplifications one step at a time to find the voltage and current for each resistor.

Use these two rules: the voltage across parallel resistors is the same and the current through series resistors is the same. Therefore, let's say you unsimplified your jumbo resistor into two parallel resistors. You know that the voltage across that 1 jumbo resistor is across both those parallel resistors. If you had expanded it to two series elements, you know the current through each of them is the same as the current through the jumbo resistor. So you keep stepping back and using these rules until you have everything you need.
 
xcvxcvvc said:
After you have the total current through one jumbo resistor R_{eq} you can begin to then reverse your resistor simplifications one step at a time to find the voltage and current for each resistor.

Use these two rules: the voltage across parallel resistors is the same and the current through series resistors is the same. Therefore, let's say you unsimplified your jumbo resistor into two parallel resistors. You know that the voltage across that 1 jumbo resistor is across both those parallel resistors. If you had expanded it to two series elements, you know the current through each of them is the same as the current through the jumbo resistor. So you keep stepping back and using these rules until you have everything you need.

Therefore if I'm able to find the voltage after R1, that voltage is the same through R4 and R23. So with this information I can find the current through R23 and since R2 and R3 are in series they have the same current as R23?
 
davidepalmer said:
Therefore if I'm able to find the voltage after R1, that voltage is the same through R4 and R23. So with this information I can find the current through R23 and since R2 and R3 are in series they have the same current as R23?

I'm not sure what you mean by "find the voltage after R1"

R_{eq} = R_1 + R_4||(R_2+R_3) +R_5
This is how you simplified the circuit into 1 resistor. Here is each step shown visually:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4800/49119358.jpg

So here you are with a current through the 1 resistor in step 3. Let's unsimplify the circuit by 1 step, and go back to step 2. As you can see, there are three series resistors. We know that the current through the series resistors is the same as the current of the one equivalent circuit -- where else would the current flow since the resistors are one a one way track? So with whatever that current is you found, use Ohm's law to find the voltage across the resistor that is or that contains the resistor we want to know about. In this example, the middle resistor contains R2, the resistor we want.

With the voltage across R_4||(R_2+R_3) found by I *( R_4||(R_2+R_3)), we are ready for the next step: step back in the simplification again. We are now at picture 1. We see then that the voltage we JUST found across R_4||(R_2+R_3) is the same voltage across R_2 + R_3. Find the current through that 1 equivalent resistor then step it back to 2 series elements R_2 and R_3. We then use the current rule that current is the same through series elements so we know the current through R_2 as well. Ohms law then gives the voltage across R_2.
 
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xcvxcvvc said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "find the voltage after R1"

R_{eq} = R_1 + R_4||(R_2+R_3) +R_5
This is how you simplified the circuit into 1 resistor. Here is each step shown visually:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4800/49119358.jpg

So here you are with a current through the 1 resistor in step 3. Let's unsimplify the circuit by 1 step, and go back to step 2. As you can see, there are three series resistors. We know that the current through the series resistors is the same as the current of the one equivalent circuit -- where else would the current flow since the resistors are one a one way track? So with whatever that current is you found, use Ohm's law to find the voltage across the resistor that is or that contains the resistor we want to know about. In this example, the middle resistor contains R2, the resistor we want.

With the voltage across R_4||(R_2+R_3) found by I *( R_4||(R_2+R_3)), we are ready for the next step: step back in the simplification again. We are now at picture 1. We see then that the voltage we JUST found across R_4||(R_2+R_3) is the same voltage across R_2 + R_3. Find the current through that 1 equivalent resistor then step it back to 2 series elements R_2 and R_3. We then use the current rule that current is the same through series elements so we know the current through R_2 as well. Ohms law then gives the voltage across R_2.

I think I've finally figured out what you've been explaining to me. I was able to work it backwards and get the answer now. Thank you so so much for your help!
 
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