How to Determine N from Refraction Angles and Constants?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the index of refraction (N) from given angles of incidence (I), refraction (R), and a constant (k) using Snell's law. Participants explore the implications of surface orientation on refraction and the relationships between angles and vectors in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to reverse engineer refraction to find N using the relationship sin(θ1)/sin(θ2) = k.
  • Another participant suggests defining angles θ1 and θ2 in a conventional manner for clarity.
  • A participant questions the relevance of the normal vector in the context of Snell's law.
  • One participant rephrases the question to focus on the surface orientation needed for the refracted ray to focus on a specific point.
  • Another participant asserts that parallel light rays remain parallel after refraction, questioning the need for focusing.
  • A participant realizes a relationship involving cos(θ1 - θ2) and unit vectors, indicating a potential method to solve for θ1 using Snell's law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance of the normal vector and the concept of focusing in refraction. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions and definitions needed to determine N.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of angle definitions and the assumptions regarding the behavior of light rays during refraction. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of Snell's law and its application.

GabrielCoriiu
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I'm trying to reverse engineer refraction. So given I, R and k in the image, what is N so that sin(θ1)/sin(θ2) = k ?
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Hello Gabriel, ##\qquad## :welcome: ##\qquad## !
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GabrielCoriiu said:
reverse engineer refraction
Fine, but it would be more sensible to define ##\theta_1## and ##\theta_2## in the conventional manner. The way it looks now makes ##\theta_2## appear completely random to me ...
 
Hi BvU, thank you for the warm welcome. I've changed the image in the original post, I hope this makes it more clear :)
 
GabrielCoriiu said:
what is N
##\vec N## is the normal vector. It doesn't occur as a vector in Snellius' law.

However, I think I do not understand your question.
 
To rephrase the question, what should the surface orientation be, in order for the refracted ray to focus on a specific point, given the light direction and index of refraction.
 
There is no question of focusing: parallel in is parallel out!
Are you asking about finding a given ##\ \theta_1 - \theta_2 ## ?
 
Hmmm,

I've just realized that cos (θ1 - θ2) is I⋅R, supposedly they are unit vectors. I can now get θ1 and replace it in Snell's law and solve for θ1, which is exactly what I want :biggrin:

Thanks BvU!
 
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