Rewrite Cartesian in Cylindrical form

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The discussion revolves around transforming a mathematical problem from Cartesian coordinates to cylindrical or spherical coordinates. Participants are examining the limits of integration and the geometric interpretation of the region involved in the integration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to clarify the limits of integration and the correct coordinate system to use. There are questions about the geometric shape of the region of integration and how to accurately describe it in three-dimensional space.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and corrections regarding the terminology and the nature of the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct limits and the geometric representation of the volume being integrated over, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the distinction between cylindrical and spherical coordinates, as well as the correct limits for the integration variables. Participants are encouraged to visualize the region of integration to aid in their understanding.

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Cartesian to Cylindrial

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What I was doing is that, I changed the limits of z, and the function.
 
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you must be precise where ##\rho## varies. I give you an hint. Start from ##-\sqrt{4-x^2-y^2}\leq z\leq \sqrt{4-x^2-y^2}## and prove that ##0\leq \rho \leq 2##...
 
So the whole volume is above and below the xy-plane... Can I divide the whole volume into 2 symmetric sub volume?

0≤ρ≤20≤ρ≤2 0\leq \rho \leq 2 as Φ is 0 where r = 0 :)
 
Minor point, but your title (Rewrite Cartesian in Cylindrial form) and what you have in Relevant Equations, are incorrect. The problem asks you to transform the integral to spherical form, which is actually what you're doing. It might indicate that you don't have a clear understanding of the difference between cylindrical (not cylindrial, which I don't think is a word) coordinates and spherical coordinates.
 
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Mark44 said:
Minor point, but your title (Rewrite Cartesian in Cylindrial form) and what you have in Relevant Equations, are incorrect. The problem asks you to transform the integral to spherical form, which is actually what you're doing. It might indicate that you don't have a clear understanding of the difference between cylindrical (not cylindrial, which I don't think is a word) coordinates and spherical coordinates.
Okay, so am I setting the limits correctly in my work? thanks
 
nysnacc said:
Okay, so am I setting the limits correctly in my work? thanks
I don't think you are, but I haven't looked that closely at your work. Can you describe, in words, what the region of integration looks like?
 
In xy plane, the shape is a half circle in +x then z is bounded between -√ to +√ (so above and below xy plane)

Then r = x^2 + y^2 and θ goes from 0 to π, Φ goes from 0 to π as the volume is above and below the plane
 
nysnacc said:
In xy plane, the shape is a half circle in +x then z is bounded between -√ to +√ (so above and below xy plane)

Then r = x^2 + y^2 and θ goes from 0 to π, Φ goes from 0 to π as the volume is above and below the plane
But what is the shape of the three-dimensional object that is the region of integration? That's what I'd like you to tell me. A very important aspect of being able to transform iterated integrals from one form to another is being able to correctly describe the region of integration. Once you understand this, evaluating the integrals is more-or-less mechanical.
 
A half sphere.
 
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You need to describe where the half sphere is located in the xyz coordinate system. You need to have the picture to get the limits correct. And, no, your limits in post #1 are not correct. For one thing, if the integration variable is ##d\rho##, there cannot be any ##\rho## in the limits. And there is at least one other error.
 
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Thanks.

By sketching, I come up with something like this:

θ: 0 to π
Φ: 0 to π
rho: 0 to 2 (the bound of the sphere)

And then I replace the function y^2 √ x^2+y^2+z^2 in terms of rho, θ and Φ
 
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p is rho

∫ ∫ ∫ (p sinΦ sinθ)2 (p) p2sinΦ dp dΦ dθ ! ! !
 
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You haven't given us a description or picture of where the half sphere is located in the xyz coordinate system, and as a consequence your limits on ##\theta## are incorrect.
 

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