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Natasha Richardson suffered a fatal skiing accident at Mont Tremblant Resort, resulting in a severe brain injury from a concussion. Initially feeling fine after her fall, she later experienced headaches and was taken to the hospital, where she ultimately died from an epidural hematoma. The discussion highlights the unpredictability of head injuries, emphasizing that even minor impacts can lead to serious consequences. There are calls for increased helmet use among skiers to prevent such tragedies, as well as critiques of the medical response she received. The incident serves as a reminder of the inherent dangers of skiing and the importance of immediate medical attention for head injuries.
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Two days ago, on 16 March 2009, Natasha Richardson was injured in a skiing accident at the Mont Tremblant Resort. She apparently took a spill and received a concussion. It seems that she initially felt fine, but her trainer and others insisted she see a doctor and she eventually went to hospital. She had apparently suffered a severe brain injury.

She died this evening.

Natasha Jane Richardson is the wife of actor Liam Neeson, with whom she had two sons. She is the daughter of the actress Vanessa Redgrave and the director/producer Tony Richardson. She was 45 yrs old.

I've always enjoyed her performances.

RIP Ms. Richardson. :frown:
 
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Just heard, what a tragedy. My condolences to family, and loved ones.
 
Wow, fell on a bunny slope under the guidance of a trainer. Did her head hit a rock? What a tragic, senseless accident. I feel for her two young sons.

Just makes you realize that there may never be a tomorrow to realize your dreams.
 
I've been a skier since I was...seven or eight? When I was a kid, no one ever, ever wore a helmet - it was unheard of. Now, about 50% of people on the slopes wear them.

Please, PFers...you spend so much time filling your beautiful brains with ideas, and training those brains to do calesthenics most people find spectacular! Please, if you ski (or bike, or skateboard, or...whatever), wear one of these:

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/5374/skihelmet.jpg

That's my ski helmet (yes that's a band-aid). Protect your brain, for crying out loud! Don't be an idiot!
 
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lisab said:
That's my ski helmet (yes that's a band-aid). Protect your brain, for crying out loud! Don't be an idiot!

It's too rare IMO - something that wouldn't happen in next many decades.
 
Most of the deaths here are avalanches off-piste - especially snow mobillers.
They reported 30deaths in the region in the last 20years, 14 due to head injuries of which 2 were wearing helmets - the calls for mandatory helmet laws started as soon as the first politician's public relations people heard the news.
 
I don't know that I'm ever going to wear a helmet skiing. I'd like to hear the circumstances of this incident, but most seem to be due to stupidity/irresponsibility. So you have direct control over your risk factor.
 
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russ_watters said:
I don't know that I'm ever going to wear a helmet skiing. I'd like to hear the circumstances of this incident, but most seem to be due to stupidity/irresponsibility. So you have direct control over your risk factor.

You're going to wear a knit cap anyway, right? I can tell you from personal experience, the helmet is actually more comfortable than a knit cap. It doesn't itch. And, it pulls the goggles off of your face just a little bit so fogging is no longer a problem.

What's the downside? A knock to your pride?
 
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lisab said:
What's the downside? A knock to your pride?
It's not about pride. I'm a creature of habit and very particular about doing things the way i want.
 
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I'm very curious to hear the specifics of this situation as they come out.

I don't wear a helmet while skiing, but wear a helmet while snowboarding.
 
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Ski helmets are great. Safety aside, they keep you warm, block the wind, and stay in place better than warm hats. They don't block your peripheral vision, and they stick right to your head well enough that you don't even notice it's there. Highly recommend to anyone who skis or snowboards.
 
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Astronuc said:
the wife of actor Liam Neeson

He played a widower in Love, Actually. Cheap association, but I can't stop it.
 
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Evo said:
Wow, fell on a bunny slope under the guidance of a trainer. Did her head hit a rock? What a tragic, senseless accident. I feel for her two young sons.

Just makes you realize that there may never be a tomorrow to realize your dreams.
Without knowing exactly where she fell and hit her head, it is likely impossible to know what happened. All it takes is a critical blow to the a critical spot on the head.

There's some discussion in this article, but no specifics.
Could a Helmet Have Saved Natasha Richardson?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599188611500


Another article mentioned that one of her passions was food. She was a guest judge on "Top Chef".


My mom used to nurse people with head trauma. One of the nurses she work with hit her head on the corner of a tall delivery cart in the hallway of the hospital. The cart was being pushed along an intersecting hallway and she walked into it as it came around a corner. Besides a painful bump, she seemed to feel fine. Well she later developed a headache, slipped into a coma and died. That was pretty profound for me since I've received numerous hard smacks or bangs to the head over the years, including a time when I flipped off a bicycle and landed head-first on the sidewalk (when I was about 14 or 15).

'Minor' head injuries can turn serious rapidly, experts say
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/18/brain.injury/index.html

blow to the head that at first seems minor and does not result in immediate pain or other symptoms can in fact turn out to be a life-threatening brain injury, experts tell CNN.
. . . .
Actress Natasha Richardson was talking and joking after she fell Monday during a beginner ski lesson, according to officials at the Canadian resort where she was staying. But soon after she returned to her room she complained of head pain and was taken to a nearby hospital, then to a larger medical center in Montreal. She was flown by private jet Tuesday to a New York hospital.

"A patient can appear so deceivingly normal at first," said Graffagnino, director of Duke University Medical Center's Neurosciences Critical Care Unit. "But they actually have a brain bleed and as the pressure builds up, they'll experience classic symptoms of a traumatic brain injury."
. . . .
 
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Some of the most serious injuries on the mountain (even on a beginner's slope) can be suffered by beginners who have not yet learned how to control their falls. I have hauled people off mountains in a toboggan that had suffered hyper-extensions, sprains, and broken bones while falling on pretty gentle slopes.

My condolences to her family.
 
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Astronuc said:
Without knowing exactly where she fell and hit her head, it is likely impossible to know what happened. All it takes is a critical blow to the a critical spot on the head.

There's some discussion in this article, but no specifics.
Could a Helmet Have Saved Natasha Richardson?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599188611500

They say she was healthy but I wonder if she had any other problem/accident unrelated to the skiing accident.

But, her accident scenario doesn't look really dangerous:
It's similar to slipping and falling on a slippery hard floor.
 
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rootX said:
They say she was healthy but I wonder if she had any other problem/accident unrelated to the skiing accident.
But if one reads the other article I cited, 'Minor' head injuries can turn serious rapidly, experts say
( http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/18...ury/index.html ), looking fine (from the outside) often happens with a head injury. Any rupture of a blood vessel within the cranium is not readily apparent, and can only be discerned by monitoring the person or doing a scan with some diagnostic machine like an MRI.

Richardson apparently claimed to feel fine immediately after the accident, but within an hour she was not feeling well and complained of a headache. As it was, she went to a local hospital, Centre Hospitalier Laurentien, after complaining of feeling unwell, and was transferred from there to the Hôpital du Sacré-Coeur de Montréal in critical condition. She should have been sent to Montréal.

The conseqences of such an accident depend on where on the head receives the blow and the age and health of a patient. The older one is, the less elastic the blood vessels. I've definitely noticed a difference when I get injured these days, as opposed to 30 years ago, especially when I receive a blow to the head. The last time I got hit in the head, I saw stars.
 
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Remembering Natasha Richardson, 1963-2009
http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2009/03/19/natasha_richardson/
 
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Autopsy: Natasha Richardson died from hitting head
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obit_natasha_richardson
. . . . The cause of death was epidural hematoma (bleeding between the skull and the brain's covering), said Ellen Borakove, a spokeswoman for the New York City medical examiner's office. Richardson was not wearing a helmet and the death was ruled an accident.

An epidural hematoma is often caused by a skull fracture. The bleeding causes a blood clot that puts pressure on the brain. That pressure can force the brain downward to press on the brain stem that controls breathing and other vital functions, causing coma or death. Frequently, surgeons cut off part of the skull to give the brain room to swell.

. . . .
The probability of an epidural or subdural hematoma should have been cause enough to send straight away to hospital with the appropriate TBI care unit.
 
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So senseless, access to proper medical treatment quite possibly could have saved her life. Why did the paramedics spend 30 minutes when they knew it was a head trauma? Why couldn't/didn't the first hospital do something to relieve pressure on her brain until she could be sent to a more advanced facility, or did they not even have the means to check that?
I was watching Trauma ER the other day and they removed part of a guy's skull to save his life until they could get him into surgery and get a neurosurgeon. Sounds like nothing was done for 4 hours after the 911 call from her hotel, that's incredible.

Doctor: Quebec's lack of medical helicopters may have cost Natasha Richardson crucial moments

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-ap-natasha-richardson,0,7834944.story
 
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Evo said:
So senseless, access to proper medical treatment quite possibly could have saved her life. Why did the paramedics spend 30 minutes when they knew it was a head trauma? Why couldn't/didn't the first hospital do something to relieve pressure on her brain until she could be sent to a more advanced facility, or did they not even have the means to check that?
I was watching Trauma ER the other day and they removed part of a guy's skull to save his life until they could get him into surgery and get a neurosurgeon. Sounds like nothing was done for 4 hours after the 911 call from her hotel, that's incredible.

Doctor: Quebec's lack of medical helicopters may have cost Natasha Richardson crucial moments

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/sns-ap-natasha-richardson,0,7834944.story
Coulda, shoulda, woulda, blah. Don't let speculation make you sad. That's senseless. I mean, what about the hour she spent in her hotel room refusing medical help from the first ambulance that came as soon as they got to the bottom of the hill?

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=talk-and-die-richardson
Richardson reportedly refused medical care when an ambulance arrived and went back to her hotel room. About an hour later, however, Lortie said that Richardson complained of a severe headache; she was rushed by ambulance to Hôpital Sacré-Coeur in Montreal, where Neeson met her after flying in from Toronto where he was filming a movie.
 
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Brilliant! said:
Coulda, shoulda, woulda, blah. Don't let speculation make you sad. That's senseless. I mean, what about the hour she spent in her hotel room refusing medical help from the first ambulance that came as soon as they got to the bottom of the hill?

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=talk-and-die-richardson

Prevents these kind of accidents in future. I was reading some comments somewhere and one Ski trainer told about a similar incident but it was only vomiting... here:
1. Blame goes to herself first
2. then the ski trainer
3. then the hospital

But, I think she was just too unfortunate. She had like three opportunities for saving her life and she lost all of them.

I don't like these high profile deaths - media and public reaction. But, good thing is that death causes are scrutinized more than ever and thus prevented in future
 
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Brilliant! said:
Coulda, shoulda, woulda, blah. Don't let speculation make you sad. That's senseless. I mean, what about the hour she spent in her hotel room refusing medical help from the first ambulance that came as soon as they got to the bottom of the hill?

It's possible that her bad judgement was caused by her injury.
 
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lisab said:
It's possible that her bad judgement was caused by her injury.

True, but when you are a celebrity and you insist you are OK it's a little harder for those concerned about you to over rule.

Not every paramedic is House.
 
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Most head trauma patients feel fine initially, paramedics know this. When I fell and hit my head and someone called an ambulance, the paramedics refused to leave without taking me to the hospital for a scan. I argued with them for almost 45 minutes before I realized they were taking me even if it meant by force.

The paramedics left without even speaking to her.

The point of my post was that Quebec has inadequate facilities for trauma, but I guess no one read it.
 
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lisab said:
It's possible that her bad judgement was caused by her injury.

I've taken a number of bad falls in my life mostly due to riding motorcycles. In one case I went down at about 50mph and hit my head on a rock, which cracked the helmet.

Whenever I got hurt, my first response was to deny that I was hurt. I remember one time when I was insisting that I was fine and telling everyone to leave me alone just before I passed out.

We even see this sort of thing in more benign situations. It is common for someone who is worried about their health to avoid the doctor and deny the symptoms. Tsu's mother, who was a nurse, died that way.
 
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Are you exaggerating? Head trauma is serious, but hospitals and paramedic companies would likely be too concerned about lawsuits to actually use force against a human who seems completely coherent. I'm pretty sure that the law says that anyone who is capable of making informed consent is responsible for their own well-being. But, if someone is obviously acting like their mental health is in danger, they can be hospitalized without consent. This may have actually had something to do with the first paramedics letting her be. If she was acting completely normal, her refusal would have been taken seriously.
 
  • #29
Brilliant! said:
Are you exaggerating? Head trauma is serious, but hospitals and paramedic companies would likely be too concerned about lawsuits to actually use force against a human who seems completely coherent. This may have actually had something to do with the first paramedics letting her be.

Very true here in the States...but Canada doesn't have the same liability laws we do.
 
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lisab said:
Very true here in the States...but Canada doesn't have the same liability laws we do.
Informed consent regulations seem to be very similar in US and Canada, as well as Australia.

http://www.ccachiro.org/client/cca/cca.nsf/web/Chapter+1+-+Informed+Consent!OpenDocument
 
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Brilliant! said:
Informed consent regulations seem to be very similar in US and Canada, as well as Australia.
But in Canaa and Australia anyone trying to sue the paramedics for forcing them to go to hospiial is going to get laughed out of court.

It came up here with the local mountain rescue team - they have no legal power to force anyone to be rescued but as they said, who is the RCMP going to side with?
 
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Brilliant! said:
Are you exaggerating? Head trauma is serious, but hospitals and paramedic companies would likely be too concerned about lawsuits to actually use force against a human who seems completely coherent. I'm pretty sure that the law says that anyone who is capable of making informed consent is responsible for their own well-being. But, if someone is obviously acting like their mental health is in danger, they can be hospitalized without consent. This may have actually had something to do with the first paramedics letting her be. If she was acting completely normal, her refusal would have been taken seriously.
Did you bother at all to read the article I posted about the lack of life flight helicopters and trauma facilities in Quebec?
 
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Evo said:
Did you bother at all to read the article I posted about the lack of life flight helicopters and trauma facilities in Quebec?
Yes. But regardless of terrible rescue capabilities, speculation in the form of "couldas" and "shouldas" is a pointless thing to waste your emotions on. Unless you'd like to delve into some string theory and discuss the possibility of another universe where Bizarro Canada has the most amazing medical facilities in the known gragnar, and the tripedal people of Queb-91-479 never have to worry about trauma to their spikbar.
 
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Brilliant! said:
Yes. But regardless of terrible rescue capabilities, speculation in the form of "couldas" and "shouldas" is a pointless thing to waste your emotions on. Unless you'd like to delve into some string theory and discuss the possibility of another universe where Bizarro Canada has the most amazing medical facilities in the known gragnar, and the tripedal people of Queb-91-479 never have to worry about trauma to their spikbar.
Well, you certainly seem to completely miss the issue of adequate care for trauma victims and your post is nonsensical and off topic.

I however, would like to discuss the situation there. So please do not respond unless you have something of value to say on the subject.
 
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Adequate care for trauma victims would involve a complete revamping of a socialized health care system. Either levy more taxes, or change ideologies.

Or did you mean you wanted to discuss my sensibility?
 
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Brilliant! said:
Adequate care for trauma victims would involve a complete revamping of a socialized health care system. Either levy more taxes, or change ideologies.

Or did you mean you wanted to discuss my sensibility?
Yes, there are many problems with socialized medicine. You have to ask if the lack of trauma facilties in Quebec is a result of that?
 
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No, I just don't see what else there is to discuss on the subject. We could drone on and on about how sad it is for the people of Quebec, or how unfortunate they are to have to worry about the system they endorse not being able to take care of a bump on the head. We could even make a chart pointing out the pros and cons of socialized health care.

But that will do us no good. The only issue here is ideological, and I would be happy to discuss that with you to no end.
 
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From everything I've heard, nobody knew she had such a serious injury until too late. It's surprising, since usually you need a skull fracture to impinge upon the artery that would lead to an epidural hematoma. But, it's also the sort of thing that once you start to see symptoms, if you're not already in a hospital or on the way, you may not make it to a hospital still alive.

I don't know of any lack of trauma facilities in Quebec, and none of the linked articles suggest that either. It's more that most times, people bump their heads and are fine. It's not until the bleeding has gone on long enough to begin compressing the brain that symptoms beyond a headache become evident, and depending on how badly the artery is severed, you might not have much time at all.
 
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Moonbear said:
I don't know of any lack of trauma facilities in Quebec, and none of the linked articles suggest that either.
The article was changed since I first posted it, so it's not there now.

This is what it said.

The province of Quebec lacks a medical helicopter system, common in the United States and other parts of Canada, to airlift stricken patients to major trauma centers. Montreal's top head trauma doctor said Friday that may have played a role in Richardson's death.

"It's impossible for me to comment specifically about her case, but what I could say is ... driving to Mont Tremblant from the city (Montreal) is a 2½-hour trip, and the closest trauma center is in the city. Our system isn't set up for traumas and doesn't match what's available in other Canadian cities, let alone in the States," said Tarek Razek, director of trauma services for the McGill University Health Centre, which represents six of Montreal's hospitals.

While Richardson's initial refusal of medical treatment cost her two hours, she also had to be driven to two hospitals. She didn't arrive at a specialized hospital in Montreal until about four hours after the second 911 call from her hotel room at the Mont Tremblant resort, according to a timeline published by Canada's The Globe and Mail newspaper.

Not being airlifted directly to a trauma center could have cost Richardson crucial moments, Razek said.

After Richardson fell and hit her head on a beginner ski slope at the Mont Tremblant resort in Quebec, the first ambulance crew left upon spotting a sled taking the still-conscious actress away to the resort's on-site clinic.

A second 911 call was made two hours later from Richardson's luxury hotel room as the actress deteriorated. Medics tended to her for a half-hour before taking her to a hospital about a 40-minute drive away.

Centre Hospitalier Laurentien in Ste-Agathe does not specialize in head traumas, so her speedy transfer to Sacre Coeur Hospital in Montreal was critical, said Razek.

"It's one of the classic presentations of head injuries, 'talking and dying,' where they may lose consciousness for a minute, but then feel fine," said Razek.
 
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That's terrible. I wonder why it's that way.
 
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It's still hard to say if that made the difference in her case. I think the real reason she died is she refused treatment when emergency services were first called, and it wasn't until 2 hours later when she started experiencing more severe symptoms that they were called again. If they were tending to her for a half hour, that would suggest she was already bad enough that they needed to spend time trying to stabilize her for transport. Had the first set of medics been allowed to evaluate her, she would have already been in a hospital by the time her condition began deteriorating.
 
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Astronuc said:
The probability of an epidural or subdural hematoma should have been cause enough to send straight away to hospital with the appropriate TBI care unit.
What Probibility? That's what's so scary about these accidents, they often don't seem bad at all. Everyone bumps their head every now and then and popping a blood vessel is extremely rare. You can't do a cat scan on everyone who bumps their head and shows no immediate concussion symptoms. Heck, you can't even do a cat scan on everyone who has a concussion! According to Wiki, there are about 1.8 million of them a year in the US.
Evo said:
Most head trauma patients feel fine initially, paramedics know this. When I fell and hit my head and someone called an ambulance, the paramedics refused to leave without taking me to the hospital for a scan. I argued with them for almost 45 minutes before I realized they were taking me even if it meant by force.
With no symptoms, that is very surprising. I once bumped my head playing soccer as a kid. I didn't remember hitting the ground and had a bump and bad headache for a couple of days, but no real concussion symptoms. No ambulance was ever called.
 
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russ_watters said:
What Probibility? That's what's so scary about these accidents, they often don't seem bad at all. Everyone bumps their head every now and then and popping a blood vessel is extremely rare. You can't do a cat scan on everyone who bumps their head and shows no immediate concussion symptoms. Heck, you can't even do a cat scan on everyone who has a concussion! According to Wiki, there are about 1.8 million of them a year in the US. With no symptoms, that is very surprising. I once bumped my head playing soccer as a kid. I didn't remember hitting the ground and had a bump and bad headache for a couple of days, but no real concussion symptoms. No ambulance was ever called.

Exactly. If she had an obvious fracture, she probably would have sought immediate care, but rupturing a meningeal artery without any fracture is such an incredibly rare event that there is no reason anyone would have suspected a problem. It truly is a freak accident. Nobody even knows if a helmet would have protected her from this injury, since it didn't seem to be caused by an actual skull fracture.
 
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I am officially declaring my entrance into the 2012 race for the Presidency of Earth. I vow to put an MRI in every room that has at least 3 walls and a door: bathrooms, storage units, your mother's basement. No one will die of head trauma again, not as long as I have something to say about it.
 
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Moonbear said:
It's still hard to say if that made the difference in her case. I think the real reason she died is she refused treatment when emergency services were first called, and it wasn't until 2 hours later when she started experiencing more severe symptoms that they were called again.
But what could really have happened? Since she wasn't showing any symptoms, why would they have bothered taking her to a hospital at that time?
If they were tending to her for a half hour, that would suggest she was already bad enough that they needed to spend time trying to stabilize her for transport.
Perhaps, but the articles imply she went back to her home under her own power. It is hard to tell.

A parent of a friend of a friend recently died from similar causes. He was elderly enough to need occasional (daily?) home nursing care (not sure what exactly for). He fell in the bathroom and hit his head on the doorknob one afternoon when the nurse was there. He refused to go to the hospital. The next day, his daughter was there and the nurse told her about it. By then, I think he was starting to feel the symptoms and he was taken to the hospital. Shortly thereafter, he dropped into a coma and never woke up.

People are stubborn, especially when they aren't feeling anything that unusual. 99.99% of the time when you hit your head, you get a bump and a headache for a few days, and then you're fine. The rarity of these things makes forcing treatment on someone very sticky.
 
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Moonbear said:
Exactly. If she had an obvious fracture, she probably would have sought immediate care, but rupturing a meningeal artery without any fracture is such an incredibly rare event that there is no reason anyone would have suspected a problem. It truly is a freak accident. Nobody even knows if a helmet would have protected her from this injury, since it didn't seem to be caused by an actual skull fracture.
Note, I edited the post a minute or two after posting - she must have had at least some symptoms to want to leave the ski slope, but it may have just been a bad headache. My understanding is that a bad headache isn't concussion symptoms unless it is accompanied by burred visions, nausea, disorientation, etc. When I hit my head playing soccer, I got a nice bump and a headache for a few days, but I didn't even leave the game (they did test me on the spot for concussion symptoms, though).

I'm wondering if she fell on something. With the other example I gave, the guy hit a doorknob. That wouldn't cause enough acceleration of the brain to give you a concussion, but a short, sharp blow to the head could cause a small fracture or rupture of an exterior blood vessel. It isn't like breaking your wrist, where every time you move you have excruciating pain - with a small skull fracture (in an immobile bone), I would think as long as you don't touch it, it wouldn't hurt more than a regular bump. A bad headache and not much more.
 
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russ_watters said:
But what could really have happened? Since she wasn't showing any symptoms, why would they have bothered taking her to a hospital at that time?
There might have been some symptoms she hadn't noticed, or they might have taken her in just as a precaution. But, yeah, she still might have simply refused treatment because she was feeling fine.

Perhaps, but the articles imply she went back to her home under her own power. It is hard to tell.
I was referring to the second call, after she was feeling symptoms and the article Evo quoted said they worked on her for a half hour before transporting her to the hospital.

A parent of a friend of a friend recently died from similar causes. He was elderly enough to need occasional (daily?) home nursing care (not sure what exactly for). He fell in the bathroom and hit his head on the doorknob one afternoon when the nurse was there. He refused to go to the hospital. The next day, his daughter was there and the nurse told her about it. By then, I think he was starting to feel the symptoms and he was taken to the hospital. Shortly thereafter, he dropped into a coma and never woke up.
It's not too common that these are epidural bleeds. More often, it's subdural or subarachnoid...vessels within the brain rupture when the brain smacks into the skull...not vessels lining the skull rupturing. Though, I did see my first case of an epidural bleed in a cadaver this year...quite a mess, and easy to see how it led to death when I saw how much blood had accumulated and how damaged the brain was.

People are stubborn, especially when they aren't feeling anything that unusual. 99.99% of the time when you hit your head, you get a bump and a headache for a few days, and then you're fine. The rarity of these things makes forcing treatment on someone very sticky.
Indeed. That's why I say it's much more just a freak accident than something to blame anyone about. She probably did what most people would do even with doctor's instructions...go home and just have someone around to call for help if anything changes about her condition.
 
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Moonbear said:
I was referring to the second call, after she was feeling symptoms and the article Evo quoted said they worked on her for a half hour before transporting her to the hospital.
Ahh, ok, yeah. If I was feeling ok except for a little headache and a few hours later, it suddenly got so bad I needed to call an ambulance, I would think that would be a red flag that something serious was going on.

A cruel twist for that friend I just mentioned. It's the second time she's seen this in the past year: a year ago her 30 year old brother died of a sudden brain hemmorage. He was living in his parents' basement and his other sister found him sitting in front of the tv, uncoscious, with his playstation on and his lap covered in vomit. He never regained consciousness.
 
  • #49
It's hard to piece together without any details. Why did the paramedics spend 30 minutes before leaving for a hospital? The hospital she was taken to seems to have considered her well enough for a 2 1/2 drive to another hospital rather than give emergency treatment. Did they not have sophisticated enough equipment to be able to detect a more serious condition? I have been watching way too many brain injuries on Trauma ER lately. :blushing:

Russ, to answer your question, I fell from the second floor to the first floor and landed on my head on hard wood. I had blurred vision and of course apparent swelling. My vision went black and then saw "stars" little bursts of sparkling light. I did not call the ambulance, my employer did, and by the time they arrived, I felt fine except for the pain in my hip. A co-worker had died 3 months earlier from a head injury from a fall in his home. They didn't find his body for days since no one knew what happened (he lived alone).
 
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