RMS (root mean square) of sums of functions

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The discussion revolves around calculating the root mean square (RMS) value of a voltage function composed of a constant and cosine terms. Participants explore the mathematical principles behind the RMS calculation, particularly focusing on the application of integration and the properties of orthogonal functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the voltage function and seeks clarification on why the RMS value can be calculated by summing the squares of the individual components' RMS values.
  • Another participant suggests converting angles to radians and discusses the need for a common period for integration, proposing 2π as suitable.
  • A later reply elaborates on the linearity of integration, stating that the integral of the sum of components equals the sum of the integrals of each component, leading to the RMS formula's validity.
  • One participant mentions that the integral of the product of different components equals zero due to their orthogonality, which simplifies the RMS calculation.
  • Another participant describes their approach to expanding the RMS expression and applying product-to-sum identities to show how certain terms cancel out during integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to calculating the RMS value and the properties of orthogonal functions, but there is no consensus on the initial confusion regarding the sum of squares method.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the choice of period for the calculation, indicating that further clarification on these points may be necessary.

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Homework Statement



The voltage across a resistor is given by:
<br /> v(t) = 5 + 3 \cos{(t + 10^o)} + \cos{(2 t + 30^o)} V<br />
Find the RMS value of the voltage

Homework Equations


For a periodic function, f(t), the rms value is given by:
<br /> f_{rms} (t) = \sqrt{\frac{1}{T} \int_{0}^{T} f(t)^2 dt}<br />
Where T is the period.

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that the solution is given by:
<br /> v_{rms} (t) = \sqrt{5^2 + (\frac{3}{\sqrt{2}})^2 + (\frac{1}{\sqrt{2}})^2} V<br />

It seems that you take the sum of the squares of the respective RMS value of each piece of the original voltage. I can't figure out why you do this though. I don't think applying the equation given will easily give you this answer. It's hard to even find a period to integrate over from the original voltage equation. Any insight into why the sum of squares works would be helpful.
 
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To calculate the integral, you must express all your angles in radians and use the formula for the sum of arcs. So
3cos(t + 10^o) = 3cos(t + 10\pi /180) = 3[cos t cos\pi/18 - sin t sin \pi/18]
The period of integration is 2 \pi, the period for the lower frequency 1 rad/s.
 
lynx1245 said:
It seems that you take the sum of the squares of the respective RMS value of each piece of the original voltage. I can't figure out why you do this though. I don't think applying the equation given will easily give you this answer. It's hard to even find a period to integrate over from the original voltage equation. Any insight into why the sum of squares works would be helpful.

First, you should take a look at why the RMS value of a cosinusoid is \frac{amplitude}{\sqrt{2}} :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_mean_square

Now, in your particular case you have a voltage composed of a DC component and two cosinusoids. In the formula of the RMS value,
f_{rms} (t) = \sqrt{\frac{1}{T} \int_{0}^{T} f(t)^2 dt} you will have the integral of the sum of this components, which, because integration is a linear operation, equals the sum of the integral of each component. The integral of each component equals its RMS squared (and multiplied by T), and so the formula works.

The period of integration must be a common multiple of the periods of the individual components, because, any multiple of the main period of a signal is also a period. So you can take the period 2 \pi as SGT said. Also note that the RMS value of the DC component is it's actual value no matter what period you take since it's value doesn't vary over time.

EDIT: Also, I should have mentioned that the integral of the product of any two different components from your voltage over a period equals zero. The components are said to be orthogonal. You can verify this graphically, knowing that the integral is the sum of the signed areas between the function's graph and the abscise.
 
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Thanks for the help guys. Here's how I did it.

I expanded v_{rms}(t)^2 to:
v_{rms}(t)^2 = 5^2 + 30 \cos{(t+10^o)} + 10 \cos{(2t+30^o)} +9 \cos^2{(t+10^o)} + 6 \cos{(t+10^o)} \cos{(2t+30^o)} + \cos^2{(t+10^o)}<br />

and using the product to sum identity:

<br /> \cos{x} \cos{y} = \frac{1}{2} (\cos{(x-y)} + \cos{(x+y)})<br />

Its easy to see that all the lone cosine terms and the product of the cosines will go away through the integration and all that will be left is the RMS of each respective term in the original equation.
 

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