Power Electronics: Choppers RLE Load

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a homework problem related to power electronics, specifically focusing on choppers with an RLE load. Participants are analyzing current waveforms, integration methods, and potential errors in provided data or answer options.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the average source current as 14.7 A and the input resistance as 13.6 A, but struggles to match their answer with the provided options.
  • Another participant suggests that there may be a printing error in the problem, proposing that the maximum and minimum values might need to be exchanged.
  • Some participants agree on the possibility of a printing error, with one suggesting that the answer of 26.17 A could be a reasonable option.
  • There is a discussion about whether using exponential waveforms instead of triangular waveforms could yield a more accurate result, although it is noted that the triangular approximation is typically acceptable for the homework context.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the sufficiency of information to arrive at a definitive answer, citing too many unknowns in the equations provided.
  • Another participant mentions that the triangular waveform is justified under certain conditions, such as large inductance or resistance, and shares their integration result of 27.6 A.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the correctness of the provided answers and the methods used for calculations. There is no consensus on the final answer or the validity of the assumptions made in the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in the problem, including unspecified parameters such as the time constant and the potential for printing errors in the question or answer options.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


I rms for triangular waveform = I(max)/ (1.732)
R = V/I

The Attempt at a Solution


Since there is RLE load, current waveform is triangular. It is
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Source current is
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Average of I source. I used integration. Assumed Time period = 10 seconds. So T on = 5 seconds. (question says duty = 0.5)

So integrating I got average source current = 14.7 A
Average source voltage = 200 V
So input resistance = 200 / 14.7 = 13.6A

But I'm not able to get the first one. I get answer as 26.33 A But that is not even in the option.
I used formula square I(load) = square dc component (26.05) + square (rms of triangular waveform)
 

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It says minimum is 32.75A and maximum is 26.05A. Something seems wrong, since we expect max > min.

So I'd say there's a printing error, maybe two, and in either the data or the answer options. Would (A) 26.17A satisfy you? If not, you could play around with various changes in the answers to see whether you can stumble across consistent values.
 
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Yes the printing error occurred to me as well. I guess only the max n min words should be exchanged. Cause I'm getting right answer for second part of question.
How do you get 30.17A as answer?
 
I looked for a single digit to change that would turn what's printed into something close to what you're looking for.
 
Book says answer is A.
Is this correct method?
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Your calculations are probably right. You answered while I was still adjusting my comment. I settled on 26.17 as a likely option.

Maybe if you worked it out exactly, using the exponentials instead of approximating to straight lines, it might match the 26.17A answer exactly?
 
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So instead of triangular ur saying exponential waveform? e-Rt/L?
 
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So instead of triangular ur saying exponential waveform? e-Rt/L?
Well, only if you want to test whether my hunch is right. :oldsmile: The homework would not expect you to, the triangular approximation is fine. Though in the real world you should show that the triangular approximation is justified and not simply assume it is, i.e., not just hope it is.
 
I got something like this:
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I guess triangular waveform is justified when the inductance is very big. If resistance is very big then waveform of current = waveform of voltage = square.
I'm getting integrating value as 27.6A
How did you integrate so fast?
 
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I haven't worked out an answer. I see insufficient information given to do so, in this instance.

The rising exponential, A(1-e-t/T) has magnitude A = (200-E)/R – 26.05
and T = L/R = unspecified
and passes through the point 6.7 at t=?? (5ms your nomination)

Too many unknowns to evaluate to a number, I think.
 
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I assumed T to be 10 seconds and since duty cycle is 0.5 we get inductor storing energy for 5 seconds and releasing energy for 5 seconds.
 

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