Road where each section 1/10 of the last section.

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The discussion revolves around a conceptual road where each section is 1/10 the size of the previous section, starting with a first section of one meter. Participants explore the implications of this setup, particularly in relation to Zeno's paradox and the total length of the road.

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  • One participant describes a road with sections decreasing in size, questioning if it has a name and whether one can reach the end.
  • Another participant likens the scenario to Zeno's paradox, noting that despite the infinite sections, the total distance is finite.
  • A different participant asserts that the total length of the road is less than 1.2 meters, specifically 10/9ths of a meter, and suggests looking into convergent series.
  • One participant provides an algebraic demonstration to show that the repeating decimal does not affect the total length, concluding that the road has a finite length.
  • Several participants reference Zeno's paradox, discussing its historical context and implications for understanding distance and motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the road has a finite length and can be traversed, but there is ongoing discussion about the implications of Zeno's paradox and the nature of infinite series. No consensus is reached on the philosophical interpretations of these concepts.

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Some participants mention the need for calculus and summation concepts to fully resolve the paradox, indicating that further mathematical exploration may be necessary to clarify the discussion.

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Imagine having a road that's going straight forward, where each section is 1/10 the size of the last section. The sections would be blue, then red, then blue and so on.

Assuming the size of the first section is one meter, the road would be 1.111... meters repeating.

Each time you drive across a section, there would be another one 1/10 the size so you could never reach the end.

Im just wondering if this has a name and if it would be possible to reach the end of the road.

(im only 15, and I am from norway so sorry for my bad english)
 
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Hi and welcome.
Of course you can get to the end of the road as it is always shorter than 1.2m, however many sections you add. (It's shorter than 1.11111112 even). Have you looked at Convergent Series in Maths yet?
Your question is like the Zeno[/PLAIN] Paradox (an ancient Greek idea with a flaw that is easy to discover)
 
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Thanks for the reply :)
 
Note, the road would be 10/9ths of a meter long (10/9 = 1.11111...).
 
Your paradox is similar (although not identical) to Zeno's "first paradox."

http://mathforum.org/isaac/problems/zeno1.html

Zeno was an ancient Greek philosopher, so this problem has a long history! Basically, in order to resolve it you need to use concepts related to calculus and the summation of infinite series. And yes, the runner does reach the end of the road (and Achilles does catch up with the tortoise, etc.).

http://www.mathcs.org/analysis/reals/history/zeno.html

http://www.iep.utm.edu/zeno-par/

A Google search for "Zeno's paradoxes" turns up many pages. Some of them might be simpler than the two listed above.

(Wow, four people got in ahead of me while I was Googling and writing. I think that's a record. :bugeye:)
 
andreasdagen said:
Assuming the size of the first section is one meter, the road would be 1.111... meters repeating.

Some fun with algebra (the mathematicians among us may wish to avert their eyes at this point):

Let ##x## be the length of the road. Now we have:
##x=1.111111...##
##10x=11.111111... ##

## 10x-x= 11.111111... -1.111111... =10 ##

##9x=10 ##
##x=10/9 ##

So the repeating decimal is just a red herring; the road has a perfectly reasonable length and you should be able to traverse it just as if it had any other length. Of course, you still have to deal with Zeno's paradox as the other posters have mentioned; it suggests (incorrectly, of course) that nohing can ever traverse any distance ever.
 
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