Rocket Propulsion: Understanding the Equation Behind It

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The discussion centers on the ideal rocket equation v = vex * ln(m0/m(t)), highlighting confusion about its implications for acceleration as a rocket loses mass. It clarifies that while the equation itself does not directly address acceleration, differentiating it shows that acceleration actually increases as mass decreases, assuming a constant burn rate. This principle explains why rockets, like the Shuttle, must throttle down towards the end of their launch to prevent excessive acceleration on astronauts and equipment. Additionally, the equation indicates that adding fuel has a minimal effect on final velocity, requiring a significant amount of fuel to achieve a notable increase in speed. Understanding these dynamics is crucial for grasping rocket propulsion mechanics.
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Look at the attached picture, which is taken from my textbook. I don't understand the equation:

v = vex * ln(m0/m(t))
If the rocket looses mass at a constant rate, wouldn't that equation then say, that the acceleration decreases as time goes. Since the curve of ln(>1) flattens out. That doesn't match my intution behind conservation of momentum which says that the lighter you are pushing something away from you, the greather acceleration you will attain.
 

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aaaa202 said:
Look at the attached picture, which is taken from my textbook. I don't understand the equation:

v = vex * ln(m0/m(t))
If the rocket looses mass at a constant rate, wouldn't that equation then say, that the acceleration decreases as time goes. Since the curve of ln(>1) flattens out. That doesn't match my intution behind conservation of momentum which says that the lighter you are pushing something away from you, the greather acceleration you will attain.

Did you mean to say acceleration increases as time goes?
 
aaaa202 said:
I don't understand the equation:

v = vex * ln(m0/m(t))
If the rocket looses mass at a constant rate, wouldn't that equation then say, that the acceleration decreases as time goes.
That equation says nothing about acceleration, at least not directly. Differentiating it does say something about acceleration:
\frac{dv}{dt} =<br /> v_e\left(\frac 1{m_0/m(t)}\right)\left(\frac {-m_0}{m(t)^2}\frac{dm(t)}{dt}\right)<br /> = -v_e\frac{\dot m}{m(t)}<br />
So assuming a constant burn rate, acceleration does increase as mass decreases. This is the reason that the Shuttle had to be throttled down near the end of the launch lest the astronauts and equipment be exposed to excessive acceleration.

What the ideal rocket equation (that's the name for this equation) says directly is that adding fuel has a small effect on final velocity. If you want to have a slightly faster final velocity when the fuel is depleted you need to add a considerable amount of fuel at launch. The relationship is not linear.
 
The book claims the answer is that all the magnitudes are the same because "the gravitational force on the penguin is the same". I'm having trouble understanding this. I thought the buoyant force was equal to the weight of the fluid displaced. Weight depends on mass which depends on density. Therefore, due to the differing densities the buoyant force will be different in each case? Is this incorrect?

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