Rolling ramp displacement due to weigh of block

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The problem involves a stationary ramp with wheels, which has a specified weight and center of mass, and a block placed on top of it. The ramp's dimensions and the weight of the block are given, along with the inclination angle. The main question is about the displacement of the ramp when the block reaches the end of the ramp.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of the ramp's center of gravity on its displacement and question whether the ramp would be displaced if it were treated as a point mass. They also explore the significance of the center of mass in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights regarding the conservation of momentum and the role of the center of mass in the system. There is ongoing exploration of how the block's position affects the ramp's displacement, with various interpretations being considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of external horizontal forces acting on the system, which is a key assumption in their reasoning. There is also mention of the relationship between the masses of the block and ramp in terms of gravitational force, but the relevance of this factor is questioned.

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Basically there's a ramp; its inclined plane has length "a", the base has length "b" and its height has length "c". The ramp is stationary, but it has wheels under it. The ramp weighs 120N.

The center of mass of the ramp is located at 2/3 of "b" on the horizontal axis and 1/3 of "c" in the vertical axis.

Then a block is placed on top of the ramp (1). It weighs 80N.

Given that the inclination of the ramp is α; sin α = 0.6 and "a" = 15m. How much will the ramp be displaced when the block reaches the end of the ramp (2)?

Also, disregard any friction and assume the block is a point mass.

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The Attempt at a Solution



I have a couple of questions to begin with..

Does the ramp get displaced only because it's specified a center of gravity? Like if the whole ramp was a point mass; would it not be displace at all? Then what happens if I place the center of gravity of a block on top of the center of mass of a ramp?

Also; what role does the center of mass play in this particular problem?
 

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Does the ramp get displaced only because it's specified a center of gravity?
Every object has a center of gravity, it does not matter whether it is given to you or not. If the ramp was a point-mass, the object could not slide down the ramp and the setup would be pointless (;)).

Then what happens if I place the center of gravity of a block on top of the center of mass of a ramp?
That point has no special meaning in the setup. The sliding distance would change, and the displacement of the ramp would change, but the setup stays similar.

Also; what role does the center of mass play in this particular problem?
Momentum conservation ensures that the center of mass of the whole setup stays at the same horizontal position. This can be used to solve the problem.
 
Okay, so the center of mass of the ramp and the block won't change along the x direction because there is no external forces acting on the block/ramp system horizontally; correct?

If the x coordinate of the center of mass is always going to be 4b/5, can I say that:

[tex]\frac{m_{block}x_{block}+m_{ramp}x_{ramp}}{m_{block}+m_{ramp}}=\frac{4b}{5}[/tex]

How do I continue from here?

EDIT: sorry the x coordinate of the center of mass is [itex]\frac{4b}{5}[/itex]

Actually, I still can't solve the problem.. Is the fact that the block is on an inclined changes something in the expression

[tex]\frac{m_{block}x_{block}+m_{ramp}x_{ramp}}{m_{block}+m_{ramp}}[/tex]

where I would take [itex]m_{block}[/itex] to be 80/9.8 and [itex]m_{ramp}[/itex] to be 120/9.8.
 
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V0ODO0CH1LD said:
Okay, so the center of mass of the ramp and the block won't change along the x direction because there is no external forces acting on the block/ramp system horizontally; correct?
Right

How do I continue from here?
You know the distance between "ramp center of mass" and "block center of mass" after the block slided down. This leaves one unknown (the position of the ramp, for example) and one equation (the known center of mass).

where I would take [itex]m_{block}[/itex] to be 80/9.8 and [itex]m_{ramp}[/itex] to be 120/9.8.
The factor of 9.8 is the same for both objects, it does not change anything.
 

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