Rotation of a block when not in equilibrium

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The discussion revolves around the conditions for equilibrium of a block placed on a surface and the qualitative description of its rotation when it falls. The subject area includes concepts of mechanics, specifically relating to forces, torque, and center of mass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conditions under which the block is in equilibrium and question the implications of torque when the equilibrium condition is not met. There is a focus on understanding the point about which the block rotates and the forces acting on it during this rotation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the mechanics of rotation and the forces involved. Some guidance is offered regarding the physical constraints of rotation points, but there is no explicit consensus on the mechanics of the situation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the relationship between the weight and normal force may not hold true when the block begins to rotate, indicating a potential gap in the assumptions made about the forces acting on the block.

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Homework Statement


Consider a block placed on a surface, in two different configuration, a and b. Explain the condition for which the mass is in equilibrium and describe qualitatively the rotation it follows when it falls.

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Homework Equations


Center of mass theorem \sum F = M a_{cm}

The Attempt at a Solution


Of course the condition for the equilibrium is that the vertical line passing through the CM is inside the basis of the mass (situation a). In both the situation the weight P equals the normal reaction force in magnitude R, but when the condition of equilibrium is not satisfied, weight P and the normal reaction force R becomes a force couple and they exert a torque, which makes the block rotate. The problem is: about which point does it rotate? On my book it says that the rotation is about point B but I don't see how can this be possible, since, as said before, P=R, so \sum F=0=M a_{cm}. The center of mass does not accelerate, while it should do if the block would rotate about B (centripetal acceleration would be needed in that case). How can that be?
 
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Soren4 said:
In both the situation the weight P equals the normal reaction force in magnitude R
If this were to remain true in case B as the block rotates, would the CM ever change its vertical height?

The problem is: about which point does it rotate? On my book it says that the rotation is about point B but I don't see how can this be possible,
If the block is to rotate about B, what other force besides R and P must act on the block?
 
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Soren4 said:
On my book it says that the rotation is about point B but I don't see how can this be possible.

Unless you lift the block off the ground, it can only rotate about point A or point B. That's a physical constraint. Imagine trying to move a wardrobe: it can only rotate about those two points and/or slide along the ground.

If you push from the right, it will rotate about A; and, if you push from the left it will rotate about point B.
 
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TSny said:
If this were to remain true in case B as the block rotates, would the CM ever change its vertical height
Moreover, even before it starts to rotate they cannot be equal.
 
Right, the instant it is released the normal force decreases.
 

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