Running & Jumping Backwards on a Moving Train

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The discussion revolves around the physics of jumping inside a moving train, particularly focusing on the implications of running and jumping backwards relative to the train's motion. It explores concepts of reference frames, relative motion, and the effects of Earth's rotation, with participants considering various scenarios and thought experiments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether jumping backwards while running in a moving train would result in jumping further compared to a stationary train.
  • Another participant references Galileo's ship thought experiment to illustrate principles of relative motion.
  • Some participants argue that if the train is not accelerating, a jumper would land in the same position they jumped from, due to Newton's first law.
  • There is a discussion about the effects of Earth's rotation and whether jumping in the direction of the train's motion differs from jumping against it.
  • Participants raise the complexity of the problem by considering additional reference frames, such as the Solar System and the Milky Way.
  • One participant expresses a belief that there is no difference in jumping direction relative to the train's motion, aside from negligible effects like the Coriolis effect.
  • Another participant suggests that the train, Galileo's ship, and the Earth's surface present similar problems with analogous answers.
  • A participant inquires about the implications for long jump competitions inside a train, questioning if the results would differ from those on Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the effects of jumping in a moving train, with some agreeing on the principles of relative motion while others introduce complexities and alternative reference frames. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific outcomes of jumping in different directions relative to the train's motion.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the dependence on reference frames and the potential influence of factors like Earth's rotation, but do not resolve the implications of these considerations on the jumping scenario.

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Hello. I've searched a lot on the internett on jumping inside a train, and I do only find solutions for the question "When u jump inside a train will u land at the same spot, whereas the train is moving u should land bit back".
What happens if you are running and jumping backwards, would you jump further than when the train are standing still?
http://i62.tinypic.com/2ev67uf.jpg
 
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When you are moving with the velocity speed as train, your position and direction changes with the same amount every time. If the train is not accelerating, and if you jump up, you, according to Newton's first law, will move towards the direction you moved before,with the same speed. So you will land on the same position you jumped from.
 
The surface of the Earth is moving because of the Earth's rotation about its axis; this speed is many hundreds of kilometers an hour, faster than any train. Is jumping towards the east, with the motion, any different than jumping towards the west, against the motion?
 
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afonn96 said:
What happens if you are running and jumping backwards, would you jump further than when the train are standing still?
Jump further with respect to whom? The train? Or the earth?
 
Doc Al said:
Jump further with respect to whom? The train? Or the earth?

Or the Solar system or the Milkyway? I think the problem is getting more complex when we include all these
 
adjacent said:
Or the Solar system or the Milkyway? I think the problem is getting more complex when we include all these
Which is why I did not include them. But the train and the Earth (the track) are essential frames of reference.
 
Nugatory said:
The surface of the Earth moving because of the Earth's rotation about its axis; this speed is many hundreds of kilometers an hour, faster than any train. Is jumping towards the east, with the motion, any different than jumping towards the west, against the motion?

That is actually what I want to find out. After reading about Galileo's ship I don't think ther are any difference.
 
afonn96 said:
That is actually what I want to find out. After reading about Galileo's ship I don't think ther are any difference.

No, no difference aside from the Coriolis effect which will be utterly negligible in this case.
 
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afonn96 said:
That is actually what I want to find out. After reading about Galileo's ship I don't think ther are any difference.

That is indeed correct.
The train, Galileo's ship, the surface of the earth... They're all basically the same problem with the same answer. For many people it's easiest to see what's going on when they think about the earth, because we're already in the habit of thinking that the Earth's surface is stationary.
 
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afonn96 said:
My question was if the participans in a Long Jump competition inside a train would jump longer if they jumped as i illustrated her http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ev67uf&s=8

You do know that our Earth is also moving, with respect to some other reference frame, don't you? So why would someone jumping on a train be any different than what you already know about someone jumping on our ordinary earth?

Zz.
 

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