S vs. P polarization (classical EM)

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of S and P polarization of light, particularly in the context of classical electromagnetism. Participants explore the definitions, implications, and conditions under which these polarizations occur when light interacts with different media.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on what determines whether light is S or P polarized when it strikes an interface between two linear media.
  • Another participant provides a historical context for the terminology, linking S and P polarization to transverse electric (TE) and transverse magnetic (TM) waves, and expresses a preference for TE and TM terminology due to clarity.
  • A participant argues that if light is oblique, it can be analyzed as a combination of S and P components, referencing the use of Fresnel's equations to describe reflection and transmission coefficients for these components.
  • One participant acknowledges the ability to decompose oblique polarization into S and P components and expresses newfound understanding of applying Fresnel equations in this context.
  • Another participant humorously notes the German origins of the terminology used in the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the terminology and conceptual understanding of S and P polarization, with some favoring the TE and TM nomenclature. There is no consensus on a single definition or approach, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best terminology and understanding of the concepts.

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Participants reference specific sources and equations, indicating a reliance on definitions and historical context that may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion highlights the complexity of polarization and the potential for multiple interpretations based on different terminologies.

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Hello,

I am having trouble wrapping my head around S vs P polarization of light. First, if linearly polarized light strikes an interface of two linear media, what determines whether it is S or P polarized? Also, why are these the only two options, i.e. why can't the polarization of the incident light be oblique relative to the plane of incidence?

Thanks for your help.
 
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Do you have a source, where this terminology is used, i.e., where it is defined what S and P polarization means? I know it from the German literature as synonyma for TE and TM waves (transverse magnetic or transverse electric) for a mirror, where the electric or magnetic field are in the plane spanned by the direction of incidence and the mirror-normal vector respectively. S and P stand for "senkrecht"=perpendicular and "parallel" (denoting whether the magnetic field is perpendicular or parallel to the mirror surface). For some historical reason the names thus refer to the magnetic field of the em. wave. I'm always confused by this, and I'd prefer TE and TM, where it's clearly said that the electric or magnetic field are transverse (i.e., perpendicular to the mirror plane).
 
pierce15 said:
Hello,

I am having trouble wrapping my head around S vs P polarization of light. First, if linearly polarized light strikes an interface of two linear media, what determines whether it is S or P polarized? Also, why are these the only two options, i.e. why can't the polarization of the incident light be oblique relative to the plane of incidence?

Thanks for your help.
Who said it cannot be oblique? If it is oblique you can analyse it as a combination of S and P components. Same as you resolve a vector along two perpendicular axes in mechanics problems. The reflection and transmission coefficients for the two components are given by Fresnel's equations. At Brewster angle the reflection coefficient for one of the components is zero. For any other angle both components are reflected (and transmitted) but as they have different coefficients, the polarization of the reflected wave will be different than that of the incident light.
See figure 57 on this webpage for more details.
http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/em/lectures/node104.html
 
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vanhees71 said:
Do you have a source, where this terminology is used, i.e., where it is defined what S and P polarization means?
Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_equations

nasu said:
If it is oblique you can analyse it as a combination of S and P components.
That makes much more sense. I had seen the derivation of both Fresnel equations but didn't realize that the most general case of polarization could be decomposed and the Fresnel equations subsequently applied. Thanks.
 
Ok, so it's one more notion taken from German (despite Bremsstrahlung and Zitterbewegung) :-)).
 

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